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Slightly off topic, But I have a friend who wants to convert a 110 to v8, but lives in the ULEZ zone, so wants it to be ULEZ compliant. Is there such a thing as a compliant V8 which could "readily" be dropped in - the next problem would be convincing TFL, of course...

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A late model, Thor, 4.0 litre P38 is ULEZ compliant. A GEMS isn't and a 4.6 isn't and the 4.0 litre shouldn't be as they are all Euro 3, so it is obviously a mistake on the part of TfL. How long the situation will stay like that is anyone's guess but sooner or later they will realise and close the loophole I'm sure.

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Thanks - the more I read the more it looks like a dead end.. you can spend a lot of time and effort to maybe get Euro 4 (Thor loophole aside) and then Sadiq will change the rules at the drop of the hat , and lo and behold the requirement will be Euro 6... the only foolproof way is to do an EV conversion, i think - or buy a 40 year old base vehicle (until they change the rules on that too...)

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I don't think its a mistake or loophole as such, some other vehicles fall into the same early adopter bracket despite being Euro 3, and the same applies to Birmingham's CAZ. But the risk would be as you say, that the rules can/probabbly will change at a later date when he decides to. The Taxi conversions that qualified were done with an engine (and fuel) swap to a tested and approved standard (at substantial cost).

Moving outside of the ULEZ would probabbly be the easier way to address the problem, though that doesn't solve the problem if you need to drive in the expanded zone coming late October

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The Mayor (Sadiq Khan) has now decided to extend the ULEZ to the whole of Greater London next August; It's 'all about pollution' (apparently) and nothing to do with ££/depleted TfL coffers (of course)... A Consultation showed that ~70% of folks here were against it - but what do they matter ? Never mind though.... Dubious stats abound ... eg. Khan quotes figures showing the reduction of NOx by 30% in Greater London and 40% in Central London thanks to ULEZ; Too bad those figures are from 2013-2019 - and so before ULEZ though ?!.........

PS: When the Consultation mentioned above did not show what he wanted Khan just commissioned another one which showed folks do like ULEZs: He only asked ~1000 people ....... that's about 1 in 10,000 of course....

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It will be too late of course, but those of us with a London vote can get vote against him next time - especially if the oppo proposes to reverse the expansion (I know, wishful thinking....)

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Yes he will be voted out next time of course; Main problem is this new ULEZ expansion will cost £250M+ in infrastructure alone - and so be difficult to reverse (ie. even if there is a regime change next time). Seems their last expansion - out to the N/S Circ. - was just not as lucrative as expected (because too many conformed !) and so 'only' generates £50M p/a. Thus the net had to be cast wider - and this new Zone is projected to 'generate' another £100M p/a.... The other key point that many don't seem to realise is that any/all such revenue primarily depends on folks NOT conforming of course. (Plus the New fines are planned to be £90/£180). Obviously 'pollution' is not as reduced as claimed either - eg. all one has to do is pay £12.50/day and then you can drive around in the Zone the whole day....

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I thought ULEZ stood for Ultra Low Emission Zone, not additional income because we can zone? It is purely a revenue raising scheme that has nothing to do with cleaner air at all. As you say, pay the fee and drive around generating as much pollution as you want. What I always found even more of a con was parking. Before I retired I would drive into Central London 2 or 3 times a week in a 15 plate Renault Kangoo van with a 1.5 litre diesel engine. The 15 plate Kangoo was Euro 4 so I, or more precisely my employers, had to pay the charges (as I would usually cop for the Congestion Charge too) to drive into the zone but some local authorities charged me extra when I parked as my vehicle used diesel fuel. So I get charged to drive in and generate pollution but then get charged extra to stop using it and generate no pollution at all. How does that work?

Compare it with the French and German systems. You buy a sticker to put in the windscreen of your car that denotes the emissions class. A one off fee valid for the life of the vehicle, €4.20 for France and €6.00 for Germany. If you have no sticker, you can't drive into the city centre zones, at times of high levels of air pollution only the lesser polluting vehicles can drive into the zones and the rest of the time you can. That doesn't generate an income, it improves the air quality which, as far as I am concerned, is the aim. And they class a petrol car running on LPG or LNG the same as a hybrid, only one class down from a full EV.

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I wouldn't want to take your thread off subject, this isn't Range Rover related but may be of interest because it is ULEZ related...

I convert a lot of imported Nissan E51 Elgrands to LPG, a people carrier with a 2.5V6 or (much more often) 3.5V6 engine, they're mostly 2002-2004 (series 1), 2004 - 2006 (series 2) and 2006 - 2009 (series 3) model years. If the owner of a 2006> model applies for ULEZ exception they're usually granted it straight away but if the owner of an earlier model applies they may be granted it straight away or they may have to appeal many times before (hopefully) being granted the exception.

Because they're imports the V5 doesn't usually have the emissions data but all model years have the same engine and emissions.

Nissan won't help provide the emissions data that ULEZ usually ask for. so the only thing that owners of pre 2006 models can do is point out that they're all the same mechanically and point out that there's a precedent for these vehicles to be ULEZ compliant because ULEZ recognises straight away that post 2006 models are compliant.

Owners of pre 2006 models are using a carefully formulated initial application and (where necessary) carefully formulated appeals letters which they continue to refine, yet still some are granted exception straight away while others have tried many times and are still told the vehicle isn't ULEZ compliant... I reckon it sometimes comes down to whom at ULEZ processes the application / appeal. Most contact with ULEZ gives the impression of computer generated auto-replies.

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When it was first introduced as the T Charge, any import was exempt as there are no emissions data on the V5. When it became ULEZ, they went the other way so no information meant you had to pay it unless you could convince them otherwise.

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Can't see it's viable I got my TDI due to owner being charged £15 a day. However if no one payed up at all The idea would soon drop But English people got no fight in them --- Whatever is planned by authorities People follow Just like sheep So I can't see getting V8 done way things are +--- I've just done TDI out 46/3.9 install ---- but I don't have big brother breathing down my neck