Those RR classic converters must have got some sort of grant. There's no way in hell I'd even consider an electric Range Rover for £245k.
A Tesla Roadster is £140k for the model that runs a sub 9s quarter mile. £85k for the merely stupidly quick version (155mph/3.1s 0-60) and there's one in between if you're not sure.
Will an electric Range Rover classic ever go off road for anything more challenging than a round of golf or a slightly rough track to the grouse butt? I doubt it.
For rich wankers "cough" bankers..
or a complete idiot.
probably both,.
Its a very Niche end that is being exploited.
Destroying the originality of a classic and selling it for 10x its market value seems to be becoming popular
it makes you wonder what you get for the price tag and how long does the battery last on it after one charge
If I am correct you can only use vehicles with a manual gearbox. When I looked at the EV Conversions [or whatever they are called] they only use manuals. I seem to remember emailing them, for the crack, and they said that they couldn't do an auto P38.
I think that the reason is that the gearbox, in a manual, is locked into gear, maybe 3rd and the huge torque of the motor just drives the vehicle forward.
I don't know much about these conversions, but there are a lot of ev conversions in the States, as you can buy all the parts of the shelf over there.
Pierre3.
Pierre3 wrote:
If I am correct you can only use vehicles with a manual gearbox. When I looked at the EV Conversions [or whatever they are called] they only use manuals. I seem to remember emailing them, for the crack, and they said that they couldn't do an auto P38.
I think that the reason is that the gearbox, in a manual, is locked into gear, maybe 3rd and the huge torque of the motor just drives the vehicle forward.
I don't know much about these conversions, but there are a lot of ev conversions in the States, as you can buy all the parts of the shelf over there.
Pierre3.
That'll be if they connect the motor to the input shaft of the gearbox though. A few months ago I watched a TV programme (something like Vintage Voltage) where they converted a Landrover to EV using Tesla bits, they didn't use the original gearbox, instead fitted the Tesla drivetrain rotated 90 degrees under the middle of the LR so the output that would usually drive the LHR wheel turned the front diff and output that would usually drive the RHR wheel drove the rear diff. Then they realised this arrangement meant front wheels would go backwards while rear wheels went forwards so they had to have a special diff (or might have been output from the Tesla gear) built that turned the rear wheels in the opposite direction to normal for direction of the prop shaft. The diff / gear alone cost something like £5 to have made up. I might have tried mounting the diff upside down first lol (mind you the LR will have had a live axle so probably not possible).
I suppose if we're talking £245k cars it wouldn't be a big deal to remove a slush box to fit a manual box as part of the conversion process.
The engineering firm that made the diff (or adapted the Tesla drive) designed, built and delivered the parts very quickly, got to wonder how long the process would have taken if they didn't know it was going to be featured on TV.
I get sent marketing emails from Parkers which I usually just delete but I got one the other day with a bit about the new Peugeot 2008 now being available as an EV. If you buy one on their put down a deposit and pay through the nose for the next 5 years scheme, the electric version is £45 a month more expensive than the (faster) petrol engined version. However, on their finance deal you are limited to 6,000 miles a year so no more than 500 miles a month. Which means that if you charge the electric version overnight at roughly 18p per kW the running costs are almost exactly the same. If you were to charge the electric one at motorway services so you are paying more per charge, the electric one is more expensive to run, as well as to buy and slower. So where is the advantage?
Benefit in kind for company car drivers.
BIK works on a sliding scale. EVs attract 0%. 3% for new PHEV, up through the various decreasingly "green" options to 21% for anything that produces 100g of CO2/mile or more.
So, if the company "gives" you an M3 you'll pay 21% of the purchase price in tax. If they give you a Tesla you'll have nothing more to pay.
My point is - I would like to keep my P38 even if it meant going electric. The problem is that nobody, nobody at all, will do an electric conversion for a sensible cost, say £10,000. Reading quite a number of US sites about EV conversions they often come in quite a bit under £10K. I appreciate that one would have to pay for some-ones labour to do the work, but charging over £100,000 is just ridiculous.
Pierre3.
Dude, don't go overboard yet. First they have to restrict usage of more polluting vehicles, then stop them altogether, then you can search for conversion variants.
By then I am sure there will be much more retrofit options that those who now only do it as a plaything ...
I'm sure most of us would love a electric RR at that price (laughing madly)
I can't see how they will faze out diesel in few years what about the HGV side of things how will they come over that obstacle
Morat wrote:
Benefit in kind for company car drivers.
BIK works on a sliding scale. EVs attract 0%. 3% for new PHEV, up through the various decreasingly "green" options to 21% for anything that produces 100g of CO2/mile or more.
So, if the company "gives" you an M3 you'll pay 21% of the purchase price in tax. If they give you a Tesla you'll have nothing more to pay.
So that encourages company car drivers, but what incentive is there for private owners?
I can't see how they will faze out diesel in few years what about the HGV side of things how will they come over that obstacle
At least two HGV manufacturers are now producing LPG powered trucks and there's also a few running on CNG and Hydrogen......
Gilbertd wrote:
At least two HGV manufacturers are now producing LPG powered trucks and there's also a few running on CNG and Hydrogen......
thats good then do you know what the ranges are I know the volvo fh12 do about 9-10mpg loaded up
davew wrote:
Or even:
https://electrek.co/2020/11/05/tesla-tsla-order-tesla-semi-electric-trucks-biggest-yet/
Plus perhaps.....
thaylook hideous I think I would have a new defender shape than one of them 🤣🤣
It's the Volvo FH and FM that are available in CNG or LNG forms. The Ashford services on the M20 have recently installed LPG pumps to fill them. Unfortunately the Ashford services are HGV only otherwise it would be an alternative for me instead of the filling station in Dover before I get on the ferry..
thought volvo would bd the first to use it
So lpg has been mentioned, yet there cutting down on the places that sell it, it seems going green with lpg is not something this country likes,, the idea of finding a crashed Tesla and swapping out the engine would be interesting, but as most of us don’t have a ramp and garage we can leave it in makes it a bit harder,, even if I fitted a electric motor I’d have to have something rigged up to give that lovely exhaust note
If you buy a BMW i8, you can set the DSP sound system to make the proper noises. You can even select if you want it to sound like an M3, an M5 or various others. Only problem is, you are the only person that can hear it.....
A chap in new zealand fitted a Rotary engine in to a Model S, the EV people weren't happy!
Cheap/cheerful but this ad-hoc 'Open Source' approach is probably not 'the right way forward' for P38 EVs either....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0BDqYnTaQA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FsPHWmW-yE
Plus....eventually:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC2M99KSDiw
PS: "Don't use Innova Motors" !