I am well aware that we can get the manuals online, but when outside using the phone or laptop is not really ideal. I was thinking of seeing if I can get a print run done of the P38 Manual, If it is just ring binder bound then if a page is damaged or covered in oil then a replacement could be printed without too much hassle.

The idea of my ink jet running a 1361 print run is not on my to do list. However online I have found if I can order 10 they could be supplied for under £50.

Would anyone be interested in this if I was to organise it? Would you prefer bound copies or as above.

I have a print copy of the workshop manual, but I would be interested in a printed copy of the Electrical Troubleshooting Manuals...

For me, in a ring binder/folder is fine - doesn't have to be an actual bound/book style. I agree that it's then easier to reprint the odd page here and there as and when required!

Now he offers!

Last years "wear the LaserJet 4MP+ out" project was to print out all of the P38 Workshop and Electrical Trouble Shooting manuals. I filled 8 four ring binders mostly 1 1/2" nominal but one bigger 2" one 'cos that was what I had. Three binders for each volume of the workshop manual, two for the electrical troubleshooting. Realistically a touch crowded, would have been better if I'd had enough of the wider ones to do them all.

I don't care for direct hole punching of the paper for this sort of thing so each double sided sheet is in its own glass clear pouch. Oily fingermarks just wipe off. I found EuroOffice 5 star pouches to be of adequate quality and not silly expensive in boxes of 100. Vertical alignment of the holes is a touch variable but name brands are 5 or more times the price and little better. Pouches mean that the odd mis-feed, miscount or inadvertently doing only one side is easily corrected for by slipping another sheet in. Takes ages on your own. Doing more than about 40 pages at time is asking for trouble. Its very easy to end up with inconsistent first and last page placement. I cocked up about 100 pages in one set. Put them in anyway figuring I could live with it the a couple of weeks later ripped the lot out for a do-over.

Whilst I was at it I filled two more binders. One with all the Nanocom instructions and one with useful things gleaned from t'net. Mostly BECM and EAS related. That will grow.

About 2 ft of shelf space.

This years project is to pull all the parts book stuff off Lrcat. Already done Axles and Suspension section as I needed to sort out full set of bushes. Currently a Word file but it will all go to PDF eventually.

Clive

I just did a quick bit of searching for printing manuals.

I am sure we can do others the more of each copy we do the chepear they are.

For example the workshop manual at 1350 odd sheets would cost £75 each for singles or sub £50 each for 10.

Need to find out if it comes with a binder though.Thought about the plastic wallet things but that would take ages and use up more space. At the moment the £75 would save about a day of printing paper and ink.

I tested in doing other manuals if people have them. Easy to Adobe them just need to watch formatting.

I have access to many laser printers that won't bat an eyelid at this kind of volume - they do it week in week out.

It's the binding/putting together bit that sounds like the ball ache! I wonder what our ring binder thing can do...

One for Clive:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RANGE-ROVER-P38-PARTS-LIST-CATALOGUE-VOGUE-SE-HSE-DSE-TD-Owners-Manual-Handbook/142606409998?

I've just been printing pages for each job as I go.

As I've printed them I've put them in a ring binder rather then trying to print them all in one go. I've now got quite a comprehensive printed manual from just doing a few at a time.

David.

Yup the binding & putting together bit at home is a real double ball ache. Home printing is just a single ball ache, unless you have a high volume printer with duplex capability. Started out doing the few pages as I needed them too then said "Stuff it. Do it right." and did the lot.

Single pages in clear wallets do pretty much double the space needed but its so nice in that things really do lay flat and its safe to plonk something on open pages to stop the wind blowing things around when working outside. Frankly if I'm gonna have a ball ache job I'll get my moneys worth out of the suffering and do it proper like. Done the chase a page round the garden bit a time or two. Both when a paperback bound manual disintegrated and when a loose leaf one lost a page or three.

Tempting link but at 70 drinking vouchers! An hour every night will get a DIY effort done, eventually. Hafta prioritise as works pension doesn't go all that far. Car lift is this years ambition methinks.

Clive

It's rather a slow day here... so I thought I'd dig out the ringbinder and have a go. Only got a couple of these larger black binding combs, so I'll order some more. This is the 1999 ETM, 611 pages. Duplexing halves that obviously, and 110 A4 sheets will go into these binding combs comfortably with room to flip pages nicely and just about fold over on itself. So three 'books' for the 1999 ETM alone.

They look nice though :) I'm not fussed about the pages getting dirty or written on etc, I'd much rather use one of these than a big file that likes to slip off surfaces and take up lots of room.

Parts catalogue is cheaper on Amazon: Range Rover Parts Catalogue 1995-2001 MY Covering: 4.0 & 4.6 Petrol Engines BMW 2.5 Diesel Engines.: Owners Manual https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1855206161/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_mROrAbQGVBBJZ

Looks like SpeedyHen will do these Brooklands books at near as dammitt £38 for the Workshop Manual and £36 for the Parts Book which is decent value considering how many pages there are.

But the look inside view on Amazon suggests that the meat is printed at two pages to a landscape format sheet. So pretty much half scale which won't help legibility and, probably, makes a hollyhock of the page organisation.

Got a couple or three Brooklands books myself and print quality is pretty crap at best. And don't mention the pictures. Clearly direct photoset pages from "camera on post" film. Heck most of the photos in my Norton Rotaries Limited Edition Extra couldn't have been worse if they'd done the James Bond thing with a Minox and desk light! For nigh on £40 a pop I'd want the manual and parts book done right and nothing I've ever seen from Brooklands gives me that nice warm fuzzy "its gonna be good" feeling.

I like the look of what Sloth has done. Maybe better with more, smaller comb bindings than just 3 big ones. Some sort of volume ID on the comb would help too. Will those Brother/Dymo et al hand held thermal marker tapes stay put? Nice thing about the ring binders I found is full width and length clear pockets on front and back to take proper contents details. Hadta use that stiff almost card paper tho' cos ordinary paper wouldn't slide all the way down the spine.

Clive

Sloth, good call on the ring binder. I've got access to decent copier/MFDs that would print but I don't really do much paper so I'd forgotten about those comb binder things.
Now, I wonder if I could get my minion to laminate the lot? :)

I'm confused, or maybe at 62 I'm not the dinosaur I though I was and have embraced the paperless society. Why would you want to spend £70 on a parts catalogue when there's Microcat, lrcat.com and Allbrit.de with the same thing online? As for a manual, I print off the odd page when I'm doing a job (head and inlet manifold torque sequences for example) and then throw it away when the job is finished. I can always print another copy if I need it again in the future.

When working on the car this week I needed to refer to the manual a few times. I know I could have read the manual first but I had a good idea what I was doing. When I did refer to the manual it basically said to do this go to (a) then (b) then come back here. All well and good but would have been easier to have taken out the sheets. Also half the info on the pages is irrelevant to the task you are doing. Not that a printed copy isn’t. Guess I just like paper. I’m 36 and have tech everywhere but still like printers schematic when working.

I'm going to stick with splitting the manuals into roughly 110 A4 page sections, because otherwise I'll have loads of books to deal with. These two are the first I've done as I could only lay my hands on a pair of the bigger binding combs. I've split on a section rather than half way through a chapter etc. Conveniently the 'key information' pages are repeated throughout, so 'section 2' starts on a key info page, and I've reprinted the front cover which includes the contents page. Which is handy.

Can't really do much else until more binding combs arrive. But I'm quite happy with the outcome.

Glad I have drummed up a few people into thinking. Might start slowing printing my own yes it is cheaper then buying it done but just wondered what people thought. Had Haynes done a book I would have spent £30 anyway.

The cost of ink didn't seem to concern the previous owner of my car!

I've never used it as i use computers and tablets. Anyone want's it, it's yours for the cost of the stamp(s)

I would be interested! Would save me either the £70 to have it pro printed or two or three ink cartridges and a few reams of paper.

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