I wonder what it will go for? 4.0 Bordeaux with LPG and looks quite tidy.
https://www.copart.co.uk/lot/53269290/clean-title-2001-land-rover-rangerover-wisbech
Wouldn't mind it myself.
I'm guessing its a tad leggy though with that mileage!
I have a Borderaux - but there's not a BORDEAUX inscription on the LHS dash veneer - maybe it' was an option
Guide price is fantasy.
Realistically its too leggy to buy and run unless the buyer is in hobby car mode. Run a few miles to show it off, fiddle around every other weekend fixing bits then run a few more miles to show off.
But if its fundamentally sound, basically unmolested and cheap enough it might be a candidate for the "throw £4,000 to £6,000 and a months work at it to fix everything" then do 100,000 miles before a mid life improvement session to get another 100,000 miles on it. With basically no fiddling along the way. Just routine work as per the book. If it goes for a grand or under be looking at maybe £10,000 spend over 200,000 miles. Could well be less. I'd take that.
But if, like me you just want one to run at relatively low annual miles, about 4,000 for me, it's way too leggy when 100,000 mile (ish) ones can still be found.
Clive
That isn't a guide price, it's their estimated retail value, which, for a late model Bordeaux in decent nick is about right I would have thought. It'll probably go for under a grand. Dunno where you get your costings from Clive, a couple of grand at V8 Developments for an engine rebuild if you must and/or just use it and fix things as and when. Under 200k isn't leggy, it's just run in, especially if it's been run on LPG all it's life with the much lower engine wear rate.
The auction is only 20 miles or so from me so if I've nothing better to do on Wednesday I might just go down there. Not that I need another one but who knows......
Well I got my costings from what I've spent on mine so far and what it would cost to do what I've not yet done. Basically the engine and an auto transmission refresh, possibly a diff if I'm unlucky, would be left to do if I were shooting for your mileage. Which I'm not.
What I am aiming for is not to have to futz with it as I get older.
Figure I suggested is for setting the lifetime clock back to as close to 20,000 miles as possible in one hit really.
In reality I've done things as and when needed like everyone else.
My spread sheet says around £6,000 in fuel (too many short trips!) and £7,000 for everything else, including tax and insurance, over 9 years and 27,000 odd miles. 20/20 hindsight says chop maybe £500 - £1,000 out of the repair parts list doing it as a one hit wonder fix. Things like going straight to a stainless exhaust rather than an intermediate change to "good brand" steel system and a second centre box. Nanocom is in the list too as well as the shelf queen Lynx & ToughBook. Can't see me hating anybody enough to sell the Lynx to them.
But Chez Clive is an expensive garage. I'm ruthless about changing out whole sub-systems when one part goes. Figure that at 20 years old its mostly age out not wear out so when one thing dies most of the similar things are getting old and cranky too. Getting into anything much beyond routine servicing once in a lifetime is quite enough thank you.
Clive
PS The money the official unofficial kid sister spends (wastes) on getting vehicles fixed makes me look like Scrooge McDuck!
Richard, if you charged your time at £75 an hour how close would you be to Clive's figures? :)
Engine swaps are cheap DIY if you have tools skills and time. Of those I have.. err... your number? haha :)
I worked it out a year or so ago and I've spent roughly £9k on mine in 10 years, so probably up to near £10k now and that included the V8 Developments engine and a respray. That doesn't include fuel (which came out at about £36k) tax or insurance but no matter what I was running those cost would still be there. OK, it doesn't allow anything for labour and if I charged it at £75 an hour it would by far and away exceed Clive's figures but if working for someone else I usually charge £300 a day. Last time I did an engine swap for someone, I charged £250 even though it took a whole weekend.
Coparts is a salvage auction so most of the stuff there is insurance write offs with the odd trade in so unlikely to be of any interest to most buyers, it's too complex and too old. Comes with 3 keys and an MoT until December too.
£1k a year is a good number even without labour. It certainly beats depreciation!
Just looked at the spreadsheet I've kept for the Ascot so I know if I'm going to be selling it at a profit or not. The only thing it needs now is a battery, a new drivers door latch (keyswitch microswitch is intermittent) and everything will be working. Costs for getting it running perfectly on LPG, replacing the complete sunroof cassette, sending the original stereo to Clarion for repair and line in mod, tailgate straps, a blend motor, rebuilding the EAS compressor, replacing the core plugs, replacement headlining and sundry bits like anti freeze and an MoT and it stands me at £1196.69 including buying it. Air con was also leak tested and regassed but that was done for free by my mate who had just done the course and used it to practice on before going out and making a fool of himself in front of punters (although that would only have added another £60 anyway).
Kudos for adding up your repairs and fuel chaps..
I couldn't do that!
I've only kept a record for the Ascot as I intend selling it, for mine, it will cost what it costs as it isn't for sale. The costs were a guestimate going on the large items of expenditure and things that I've had to change. For instance, I know a service every 10,000 miles costs me around £90 so I can work that out. Fuel costs were pretty accurate though, I use around £50 a year in petrol and average 200 miles per tank on LPG. I know what a tank of LPG costs so it's just a simple bit of maths to work it out from the mileage. So having done 9,000 miles since the end of August, that will be about 45 tanks of LPG at an average of £38 a tank, so around £1,700, and £30 in petrol. Blimey, at 10 minutes a go, I've spent 7 and a half hours standing around holding the button on the LPG pump in!
Just had look at my "mid-life improvements" spreadsheet which I've been compiling in a rather desultory way to separate running costs spending from replacements.
After subtracting some, in the event misguided, spending that I'd not do next time round I get around £4,000 on parts for the major ticket items viz
Front ball joints & steering arms (Lemfoder), all suspension bushes (factory), all dampers (Bilstien), airbags, EAS compressor and valve block overhaul, height sensors all round (Dunlop, possibly not actually needed), stainless exhaust, new brake callipers all round (TRW), new disks all round, replacement air con condenser and drier, new tyres, new battery and a bunch of smaller stuff.
Obviously the details may be bit different depending on the actual state of the car but, I think my suggestion of being prepared to invest £4,000 to £6,000 in parts if you just want to go out and use it for the next 100,000 miles as if its a decent ex-lease or similar standard 30,000 to 60,000 mile modern car is realistic. The big question being do you invest £2,000 or so in an engine refresh straight out so its done. Assuming its not a well worn mess underneath I'd be unsurprised to cut that investment in half to get 50,000 no worries miles.
Because I got mine with 78,000 or so on the clock doing things as needed with preplanned extra work at service interval time made sense.
Clive
Not much different to what I've done really. Front ball joints, check, steering arms (Lemforder) twice, check, suspension bushes, check, dampers Boge), check, airbags (Dunlop), check, EAS compressor and valveblock (X8R), check, only one height sensor (as only one has given errors and if it ain't broke, why fix it?), check, mild steel exhaust (original lasted 16 years so a replacement should last at least half that), check, rebuilt brake callipers (TRW seal set at £6 an axle), check, new discs (Delphi) twice, air con condenser, check. I don't count batteries and tyres as they are effectively service items in my view and would be needed on any car. If you compare it to a low mileage modern Eurobox, it'd still need a battery and tyres if I was to do a similar mileage per annum.
I got it with 205k on the clock and spent around £300-400 getting it to the point where I could use it reliably and rely on it. Most of the other stuff has been done as and when although I do tend to have a blitz every so often and do a number of things that, while not broken, are showing signs of wear. For instance over the next couple of weeks I've got new engine mounts (as I noticed recently that the rubber has perished and split on one so I'll replace both), the transfer case chain to change (I can make it skip a tooth if I try hard and the TC will get new bearings and seals while it is off and apart) and a new petrol pump to fit (because I've worn out fuel gauge sender rheostat track by running around with 1/4 tank of fuel for 10 years). Just looking at the weather forecast for the next week or two to find a time when it isn't going to be raining as the garage is full of Maserati so I'll be working on it outside.
I added the list of stuff I've done to mine in the "notes" section of my profile.
"cough"
lol
Still wouldn't have any other car though so it's worth it to me, smiles per gallon!
StrangeRover wrote:
I added the list of stuff I've done to mine in the "notes" section of my profile.
"cough"
lol
Still wouldn't have any other car though so it's worth it to me, smiles per gallon!
Hah, so have I - it soon adds up doesn't it! :)
It definitely does!
Didn't reach the reserve so not sold and will be in next weeks auction.
How much did it go up to? I was outbid at £650.
I don't know, as soon as the live auction started you can't see it online. I didn't bother going as standing around in the rain in Wisbech didn't really appeal.....