Gilbertd wrote:
I'm not on FB, I want a picture!!!
Ask and you shall receive... there was a massive improvement with one cycle so I’ve left them in for a second... will get some cleaned pictures tomorrow.
David.
I've just been and measured the stroke of the engine, with the digital calliper I got a stroke of 83mm, not exactly what it says in Rave but it's 11mm longer then what the 4.0 should be so I'm now certain that it's a 4.6 engine that's in the car.
Rutland Rover - That's what I was expecting!
I found this on the V8 Forum regarding the XM engine number. It says it was made by a company called Mitchell Cotts. When I've Google'd them I'm not getting much information though.
I've never heard of Mitchell Cotts until tonight.
David.
Well, curiosity got the better of me...
As everyone knows there was a ticking noise from our P38 that I would have sworn was a top end tick and probably from a faulty tappet.
Video here so everything stays in one thread: Click Here - YouTube Video...
On Sunday, I dropped the wife at Edinburgh Airport at 8.30am, drove the hour home and started tearing the P38 apart.
I got the inlet manifold and rocker covers off the engine and had a good look around, without seeing much I then proceeded to take the rocker shafts off. The passengers side one was nice and oily, the shaft was still silver and everything was moving freely. The drivers side one wasn't quite as nice, the shaft had browned, and a couple of the rockers were stiffer then I'd have expected. Number 4 cylinders rocker arm wasn't as lubricated as the others either and there was some sludge in the oil way under the rocker shaft.
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None of the rocker arms looked worn though, all of the pushrods looked ok and none of the tappets were dished either. I was getting curious at this point as with the noise it was making I was expecting to see something that was obviously wrong. I was also convinced after listening to the engine that the noise was coming from the front of the NS bank.
Anyway, I decided to keep going as I'd gotten this far. I tried to be clever and remove the manifolds with the cylinder heads but gave in on the passengers side as the manifold was a doddle to remove, on the drivers side I managed to fiddle with the bolts enough to get them undone and then removed the starter motor as the steering shaft makes getting to the back manifold bolts a pain in the tits.
By the time I'd stripped it on Sunday we had visitors arriving so I had to get cleaned up, after they left I was tired and was up early for work on Monday so I left it alone having given it a very, very brief look over.
Last night I went back to the workshop for a proper look and I'm 99% sure I've found the cause of the knocking noise... and much to my amazement, it wasn't the top end!
So... it looks fairly conclusive that the liner for the number 3 cylinder has moved. All of the other 3 are flush on that bank and you can see on the number 5 cylinder next to it that there's no shiny lip at all. When running my finger nail over the others, there's no lip, on number 3 there's a lip that I can very easily click my finger nail in.
So... she's currently sitting looking like this in the workshop...
I spoke to Rob at V8 Developments yesterday about a top had linered block, a high torque camshaft and some stage 1 gas flowed cylinder heads. He advised me that if we're buying the components from them, they don't actually charge to assemble the engine so I'm going to buy an entire engine from them as that way all I have to do is fit it and bed the camshaft in before following the running in procedure and it'll come with a 12 month warranty on the complete unit.
Once I'm certain and I've given Rob a deposit, it's a 3-4 week lead time on the new engine so I've got plenty time to get everything out of the engine bay, get the car dragged out of the workshop and steam clean everything in sight. I'm determined I'm going to do this properly whilst she's in bits.
The engine number on this car has also been damaged too...
It looks like it should be XM56M95B31. Is there a way of decoding these to find out any more about them like there is with some manufacturers engines?
David.
Well, it's taken me long enough, but here's a couple of pictures of the (dirty) happy couple...
Am about to start an engine teardown thread so head over to Oily Bits for more :)
David.
Thanks guys, you've all confirmed what I was thinking.
If it's been like this for 5 years and there's maybe been a bit of abnormal load on the camshaft due to it, are the camshaft bearings likely to have been damaged? Anybody ever replaced these with the engines in situ? I've read online that they're likely to be a bit of a pig to replace with the engine in place.
David.
Evening gents,
I'm looking for a bit of advice regarding our new Vogue SE... When we got it the seller told us that it was making a tappet noise. It is definitely making a tappet like ticking noise...
What's got me confused though is that when the engine is cold started it, it is totally SILENT, there's not the faintest hint of a noise. Once the car has done a mile or two you can hear the tap start to develop into the noise in the video.
It sounds to slow and to high pitched to be bottom end to me... What does everyone else think? According to the last owner it's been doing it for 5 years and hasn't got any worse. It certainly doesn't feel down on power and it doesn't seem to affect the drive in anyway.
David.
He's the bugger I bought it from for 12 quid via his website and it didn't work... I also can't get in touch with him now and he's not replying to emails either!
Robbo1 wrote:
I have a question about the sat nav display. Is it possible to access the bulb/ bulbs for the buttons on the display as mine flicker.
Rob.
No idea I'm afraid.
David.
Ouch, is it a particularly good Freelander? I'm sure you could buy an MOT'd and driving car for less then that.
David.
Thanks Marty, if you can host the image online I'm quite happy to download it and stick it on a disc to save you any hassle.
David.
I wish I'd gotten to meet Orangebean, we discussed many things that were Vogue SE specific including Sat Nav Discs, Vogue SE badges, etc. but before we got a chance to go into it in detail I heard of his unfortunate passing.
A tragic loss to the P38 world :(
David.
Does anyone know for sure what sat nav disc the P38 uses? I was just wondering out of curiosity what the newest version available was? Both my Vogue SE's have the original 2002 disc in them. If there was an easy source available for a later version it'd be nice to make an out of date system as up to date as possible.
Thanks,
David.
Thanks Gilbert, that's an interesting thought I hadn't considered. I'll wait till the weather warms up a bit and will try and get a better look at it.
I managed to get the radio code from Land Rover this morning but unfortunately every time I enter it the radio comes up saying "Wait" so I'm guessing it doesn't like the code. There's a website called radiocodes.co.uk who say they can get the code from the serial number on the Alpine unit so I've ordered the code for £12 and we'll see if that comes back any different.
It'd be nice to get it working again as I don't want to have to change the head unit. I wish I'd never sold my scruffy blue VSE at the moment as there's a lot of parts that would have been handy to have for both of these now!
David.
Well, after 300 miles of cruising north on the M6, M74 and M8, the Range Rover is now at home. Going by chassis number it's 111 cars newer then my other Vogue SE and was registered a month later. When collecting it, it was 500 miles lower then my car, now after the trip home they're both within 200 miles of each other. They don't get much closer as a pair of matching P38's really.
To do list:
New Bonnet - Someone has shut it on tools and it's dented it from the inside out and cracked the paint.
Rear Tailgate - It's starting to corrode along the bottom edge.
Rear Bumper - The lacquer has come off and the paint faded so it looks pink.
Wheel Refurb - All the wheels are scruffy and it'll drive me nuts so a wheel refurb is on the cards.
Tappets - One of the tappets is very loud all of the time so it needs the top end stripping down and given a going over.
Not a huge to do list as it drives brilliantly and the LPG works perfectly as well.
Will post up more pictures of her as I start to get her fettled into shape.
David.
One of my Vogue SE’s had a red fluid leak from it when I bought it and I assumed it would be gearbox oil... i was kinda right as it was ATF but it was from a power steering pipe.
It was the pipe that ran from the steering box to the reservoir that had rusted out on the 90 degree bend on the drivers side of the radiator. I replaced the pipe which once the viscous fan was removed was pretty easy. If that is your cause, make sure and clean the flat surface where the dowty washer will sit against the steering box impeccably as there was a spot of crap on mine that stopped it sealing and I had to take the pipe back out again to clean it and refit it.
If you look down the side of the battery box you can see the top of the steering box. Squirt that with brake cleaner and check both of the pipes. Is it possible that the unions on the top might just need nipping up and the fluid is running down the steering box?
David.
Well, according to facebook memories, somethings never change... 5 years ago to the day I was collecting a red P38, fast forward to today and I’m collecting another red P38, only difference is, today I’m on the train to Dudley.
Gilbertd wrote:
The concept of having 4 P38s to look after just doesn't appeal for some reason.
Nor me to be honest.
We’ve got a 97 GEMS that we’re going to use this one to replace, I’ve also got a DSE I want to rehome and the remains of a breaker to get rid of.
I really want to be down to two P38’s tbh.
David.
Yea, the Bordeaux was Alveston Red as well.
Well, yesterday started as any normal Friday... a day in the office, a decent trip home at the end of the day with the traffic not being to bad followed by a cup of coffee whilst browsing through emails and social media. Whilst trawling through Social Media I saw someone who had an advert out for a 2002 P38 Vogue SE that they were breaking. Upon closer inspection it turned out to be my cars identical twin!
So... I now own 2 Alveston Red Vogue SE's...
First two pictures are of my car:
Pictures below of the latest project:
So... the train is booked for tomorrow to pick it up :)
The bodywork looks good apart from a dent in the bonnet where someone shut the bonnet on top of some tools, the wheels need a refurb and I think it might need the tappets looking at as it develops a tick when it's warm. For the price I've paid for it though, I don't mind a do'er upper as it's a Vogue SE.
David.