StrangeRover wrote:
kultur wrote:
Gilbertd wrote:
Main thing with a P38 is that you can wash it, polish it and use it to go anywhere and it doesn't look out of place, even our Queen uses one! But you can still take it out and get it muddy, drag big trailers around the place, use it to uproot trees, climb mountains and, unless you damage the bodywork, all you need to do is give it another wash. Contrary to what many American owners seem to think, you don't need to fit it with big wheels and tyres, winches and lift the suspension, it's perfectly capable of going places where the driver chickens out long before the car has reached the limit.
O Gilbert, still spouting that xenophobic nonsense are we? I guess it must be a British thing to insult people for what they do with their money to their own cars, or maybe its just you.
Winches, big tires, and lifts all serve a purpose when you actually offroad on trails like the Rubicon and Moab. But I guess us Americans, Russians, Australians, New Zealanders and pretty much everyone else from around the world who doesn't consider driving down a gravel road offroading, don't know what we're doing.
I'll be sure to check in with ya Gilby, next time I want to modify my rangie to make it more capable off-road, since you know everything ;)
Before you get yer arse in a twist.
Let me remind ya that RR.net is full of people "mainly americans" that like to lift and add loads of offroad accessories to their motors..
Well it's their money, Gilbertd was saying that the P38 is more than capable in stock form..
Exactly, its their money and their car, you don't know what they do or dont do with it. All he had to say was, "it's a very capable vehicle in stock form" why insult fellow LR owners?
gordonjcp wrote:
kultur wrote:
Winches, big tires, and lifts all serve a purpose when you actually offroad on trails like the Rubicon and Moab.
I've seen folk driving on those "offroad" trails, and they look like the farm tracks round here. I drive a bone stock P38 on far messier stuff than that on a daily basis.
Your confusing mud tracks for trails mate. See video posted by Morat.
romanrob wrote:
Tnx for the vid Morat - that was pretty impressive. Kultur- fight xenophobia with xenophobia, that's what I say, you must really get wound up by Top Gear. 90%+ of these off-road mods are just for on-road posing. There are a handful of people, like your good self, that make use of the mods, but i don't think Gilbert D was referencing you - us lesser mortals just end up watching youtube off-road videos. Anyway the P38 is a poor choice of off-road vehicle, for as long as you have the terminals of every electronic system in the car lying on the floor.
Sorry I wasn't being clear, I didn't mean that British people don't offroad or like to insult people. I was trying to imply that it was a Gilbert thing, hence the "maybe its just you".
I happen to disagree, the P38 is quite the great off-road vehicle. Are there posers out there, sure, but the point is that mods like a winch, roof rack, big tires all serve a purpose for those that do go out in the bush and push the vehicle beyond its limits. Some of these things were talking about are factory Land Rover Accessories but i digress. How do you know the poser from the real? Does it really actually matter? Its not your cup of tea then keep your comments to yourself.
Lol, I knew this would ruffle some feathers. I love Top Gear, don't dish it out if you can't take it back ;)
Gilbertd wrote:
Main thing with a P38 is that you can wash it, polish it and use it to go anywhere and it doesn't look out of place, even our Queen uses one! But you can still take it out and get it muddy, drag big trailers around the place, use it to uproot trees, climb mountains and, unless you damage the bodywork, all you need to do is give it another wash. Contrary to what many American owners seem to think, you don't need to fit it with big wheels and tyres, winches and lift the suspension, it's perfectly capable of going places where the driver chickens out long before the car has reached the limit.
O Gilbert, still spouting that xenophobic nonsense are we? I guess it must be a British thing to insult people for what they do with their money to their own cars, or maybe its just you.
Winches, big tires, and lifts all serve a purpose when you actually offroad on trails like the Rubicon and Moab. But I guess us Americans, Russians, Australians, New Zealanders and pretty much everyone else from around the world who doesn't consider driving down a gravel road offroading, don't know what we're doing.
I'll be sure to check in with ya Gilby, next time I want to modify my rangie to make it more capable off-road, since you know everything ;)
Be sure to wear a helmet and pads when your out there greenlaning too, that mud is quite slippery. You might fall and bump your head /sarcasm
All recovery gear can fail, Full Stop. Use soft bow shackles, winch cable dampers, synthetic winch lines (when possible) and keep observers out of the blast zone.
If my recovery point, snatch strap, or other equipment failed I wouldn't be worried at all, because I know what I'm doing ;)
tanis8472 wrote:
None of that is greenlaning though :)
Hahaha, you got me there. I assumed, incorrectly, that Greenlaning is to Off Roading as bonnet is to hood. Seems greenlaning is more akin to what we refer to across the Atlantic as Trail Riding or Overlanding.
In either case, as was meant to be shown with the youtube videos, the stock recovery points are far more capable than people give them credit for.
Morat wrote:
OK, lots of input - thank you :)
I guess the front recovery point (which seems to get bad press as a tie-down point) will be fine for gentle recovery.
For the rear, I read all sorts of warnings that towballs are brittle and will snap off. Fair enough, nobody wants that. What's the deal with the mounting? Can I just wrap a strap (or a soft shackle) down behind the plate which the ball screws to?
There is the same loop/recovery point on the rear of the vehicle as there is on the front. Additionally, people often use the tow bar by attaching the strap directly to the locking pin that would usually lock the receiver hitch into the tow bar.
https://youtu.be/hW1fQxt1XBQ?t=57
https://youtu.be/OSoSOwA9QVE?t=282
You'll be fine ;)
Get out there, get stuck, get towed out and in the unlikely situation the factory recovery point fails (it won't), then you can start thinking about cutting and welding up your truck.
Why not? Land Rover Engineers managed to make one the best off-road capable vehicles ever and dropped the ball on the recovery points eh?
You should be fine for mild green laning, as long as your not trying to winch yourself up a dam like Richard Hammond.
There are 2 recovery points on the vehicle from the factory. They protrude from the bumper and are fairly obvious when you see them. One in the front and one on the back.
These are not to be confused with the factory tie-down points used during flatbed towing. The tie-down points are underneath the car and face downward.
