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i thought the extra length wasn't an issue as the gearbox is the same length overall. i was lead to beleave the difference was corrected in the bell housing and the complete unit was the same length , is this right .

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While I haven't updated the "long project" topic, I can mention I have already clocked up 1000km since returning the thing to life, and I have already suffered a few cases, first two-three were failed started and trouble brought by the LPG valve on the reducer, mostly due to debris (I had also now to change the tank as it "expired"). After two filters and constant bother when hot, I decided directly to replace the valve and be done with it (Romano, around 20 euro and some spanner work).
Since then, all well with the LPG. I want to replace the reducer as well, is got over 120k km and while I used the rebuild kit I feel is past its best.

Last Friday I had the first ever real breakdown in a P38 ... but I will narrate it separately, too much shame!

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So far so good. Whacked the Ascot in for MoT and came away without even any advisories so at least I have practical transport for the time being (as I discovered yesterday, a Mercedes SLK280 isn't the ideal vehicle to load all the kit I need to install an AC system into). Got started on pulling bits off mine before rain stopped play. Flex plate isn't broken and still looks perfect from what I can see looking through the inspection hole. Both propshafts are disconnected as is the handbrake cable and the electrical connections. So next step is downpipes and crossmember before I can start on the gearbox itself. New flexplate (Ashcrofts heavy duty one) will be here on Monday, gearbox should be here Wednesday but LRDirect haven't given me an arrival day for the rear main oil seal yet. Bit of a bugger really as I could do with that before everything else. Realised why RAVE doesn't tell you to remove the crossmember on a petrol too. It tells you to remove the exhaust downpipes and refers you to the relevant section, then it says on diesel vehicles only, remove the crossmember. On a petrol it tells you to remove the crossmember in the downpipe removal section but you don't need to if you have a diesel.

One interesting thing that came out of the Ascot MoT though. The V5 shows it to be a Range Rover HSE Auto and there has been a bit of a discussion in the past as a limited edition P38 called the Ascot doesn't seem to exist. The assumption has always been that it is an HSE and someone has put an Ascot badge on it. The badge is very similar, but not exactly the same, to that fitted on a Rover 100 Ascot. However, according to the DVSA record when the VIN is put into their database, it comes back as a Land Rover, Range Rover Ascot SE 4.6L 5 door Auto Estate. So maybe I do have an extremely rare limited edition?

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Might be worth getting the VIN decoded by a LR dealer, a factory spec sheet you can get too.

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I suspect all that will show is that it is basically HSE spec. Quite what the options were for a 1996 HSE I have no idea but it seems to have most, if not all of them.

This is what DVSA say if you do an MoT check....

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HSE's were the upper most spec in V8 world before the Vogue most if not all had electric seats cruise control and the HK sound system,

I seem to recall yours has the painted lower valance on the bumper?

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New one of these.

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Better runner now..

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HSE's were the upper most spec in V8 world before the Vogue most if not all had electric seats cruise control and the HK sound system,

I seem to recall yours has the painted lower valance on the bumper?

That's right, it has electric memory heated seats, cruise control, HK sound, sunroof, headlamp washwipe, front fogs as well as the body colour lower valance. However, it also has the 2000 spec clear front indicators and later rear light clusters so they have been changed at some point in its life so the valance could have been painted then too.

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Removed this.

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And added this.

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Helps having a spare in the right place, the first time its been there since 2003.

The opposite of what most people are thinking of doing.. But because you think LPG is done for because of MFG? If you wanted me to convert it back to LPG again, I'm fully booked until January ;-)

20mpg at 60mph... At £2 per litre that's 45p per minute and 45p per mile, 1p every 1.3 seconds. Even if there are no LPG forecourts in your area you might be able to get gas delivered to your door, at least in bottles. Bottled gas was very expensive compared to forecourt gas but in the bigger bottles these days not so much expensive at around £1 per litre - and compared to £2 per litre and when delivered to your door... Then decide whether to pump it into your vehicle tank or run directly from the bottle.

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LPGC I removed it because the tank was corroded through in the bottom.

As for forecourts yes I have none in my area, I would convert it back if I could justify the cost.

The outfit that did the last conversion did a shit job, so not really worth screwing around with the current system.

A whole new system is the way forward.

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doing the same as a lot as people I'm putting my range rover sport back on lpg got the tank full just looking for the oil bottle for it

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StrangeRover wrote:

LPGC I removed it because the tank was corroded through in the bottom.

You should have asked, I've got a rust free 90 litre toroidal tank here you could have. No idea of the date on it but I removed it, and the whole system, before selling a car for spares.

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just looked under the bonnet it appears when lpg was installed they didn't fit a flash lube kit

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Hi Richard, sorry for Your gearbox :-( please give an update if the hp24 fits, as I am planning the same swap (the one from a 4.6 GEMS with a bigger torque converter). If it is plug & play (I guess the tranny ECU has to be swapped, too?) but if they are the same lengths and how the 4.0 feels with the bigger TC? Would be gr8!!!

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Providing you get the right gearbox, one from a similar age GEMS, it is a straight swap. The ECU is the same, it detects engine load, and hence when changes should happen, from the MAF sensor so it doesn't need a different ECU. The only other difference is the spacer behind the flex plate is thinner on the 4.6 to move the flex plate closer to the flywheel to give room for the larger torque converter so that has to be swapped over. It's convenient that I'm being supplied with the 4.6 one with the gearbox.

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THX Richard, very useful info. Good luck with your swap. pls report how the bigger TC alters driving. From my experience the GEMS 4.6 have a lot lower rpm while in converter mode (before TC lockup), makes them feel a bit more relaxed.

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Oil/Filter and Pollen Filters.
I just realised the oil had been in for 12k which is a bit embarassing. :(

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Yesterday we drove down to Brittany again. This time I took the ferry from Poole to Cherbourg. It's a bit further to drive than my preferred Portsmouth to Saint-Malo route but we had been over in the New Forest for a college reunion so I thought that I would give it a try. When I checked in at Poole I chatted through the open window with a chap who was giving us directions who commented that my P38 sounded a bit noisy but I didn't think that it was any worse than normal. It's had a loud ticking from the engine for 8-10 years. It's probably a tappet but has never seemed to get any worse. Oddly it was even an advisory on the MOT last year. However I became aware as we were driving from Cherbourg to our cottage that it had developed a throaty roar when accelerating.

This morning I had a look to try & figure out what was up. It's definitely noisier when the engine is revved up but it's hard to place exactly where the sound is coming from. It sounds like a blowing exhaust but I clambered under the car & can't see any obvious holes. I couldn't feel any leaks either but the front pipes heat up quickly so it's not easy to get your hand in position while lying on the ground. I'm reassured that I probably don't have anything as deteriorated as @Garvin's exhaust in the photo above so for the moment I shall just keep on driving until it reveals itself by deteriorating further. If it doesn't get any worse then when I am back in the UK I will take it into the independent Land Rover garage that I took it into last & get them to have a look up on the lift. I've ordered some exhaust bandage & mastic from Amazon which will be delivered on Monday. Even if I don't get to use it next week it will be a useful addition to my emergency repair box in the boot.

To complete the story the verdict of the garage was that it's not an exhaust problem but a blown head gasket. It's now so noisy that it's basically undriveable but does still rev up & accelerate well. I have been pondering having the engine reconditioned for a couple of years & knew that I was living on borrowed time since an overheating problem was fixed with several bottles of Steel Seal about 18 months & 15,000 miles ago.

I have spoken to V8 Developments & for about £6,500 they will do a complete turnkey operation taking the engine out doing the full reconditioning then bench running in & refitting the engine back ready for me to collect the car. Unfortunately they have a long backlog of work & won't be able to do my car until the end of the year. I spoke to my goto P38 guru @Gilbertd who suggested a temporary fix by simply taking the heads off & putting on a new head gasket without skimming the heads or doing any other work knowing that it was going to be reconditioned in a few months. I was tempted but I would not feel comfortable knowing that there was the potential to fail again. More importantly my wife wouldn't feel happy with us driving backwards & forwards to France knowing that we might break down again. We have had a few minor issues over the last few years & instead of remembering the many journeys that passed without incident she remembers the coolant boiling over while we were queuing on the dockside at Caen & the water pump failing taking out the serpentine belt & fan (this was the only breakdown that required the car to be recovered) & the problem with the driver's door that required me to get in & out via the passenger side & wriggle across into the driver's seat.

I have put the car in my garage & paid £1,000 deposit to V8 Developments so now it's just a matter of waiting until they can fit me in. I'm in two minds a to whether I should get the car trailered up to Lincolnshire or drive it up myself. It's a 125 miles & 2 hours 15 minutes according to TomTom but apart from sounding like an old tractor it still seems to be running well. Inside the car the soundproofing is very effective so it just sounds a bit growly but wind a window down & it sounds really bad.

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I suspect yours is sounding just like this one that did exactly the same thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKEqPY5rX7A

The head gasket was blowing out the side to the outside world, drove perfectly OK although from underneath you could actually see sparks of tiny bits of burning gasket material being blasted out the gap when it was revved.

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Gilbertd wrote:

I suspect yours is sounding just like this one that did exactly the same thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKEqPY5rX7A

The head gasket was blowing out the side to the outside world, drove perfectly OK although from underneath you could actually see sparks of tiny bits of burning gasket material being blasted out the gap when it was revved.

That's it exactly!