Some goo I got here in the "Gluey Stuff" section of a hardware shop. It's just called Threadlock Blue.
Just finished the brake modulator overhaul and modification as supplied by Range Rover Solutions in Australia. I have no intention of trying to usurp Russell Botha's excellent and detailed instructions, but here's a couple of things I found along the way. Remember I'm a left hooker, some of this will be easier/different on a RHD.
First thing is that Russell recommends having the suspension at standard height to make later bleeding easier. If you are 7'13" this may be an option. I pulled the ABS relays and fuses and dropped to access. I can run it back to standard without firing up the pump later.
The modulator is big. It's big and it's awkward. Do your best to get as much fluid out as possible. Disconnecting the line between the pump and reservoir at the res end was easiest for me. I put plenty of rags underneath to catch errant drips when you start to undo the hard lines.
Once out, you drift the pins that hold the fork in giving you this little lot...
Then you attack the modulator from the other side. So far everything went swimmingly and as per the book, until it came to remove this...
I had to use some of this...
I was careful to heat the plug rather than the surrounding alloy. It needed 4 or five heat/cool cycles before finally letting go. You can probably see why...
I could then drift out the gizzards from the other end. A 1/4 drive extension bar is ideal for this as it sits squarely on the end of the cylinder to be drifted, with zero chance of internal damage.
The little filter is a tad tight. I went gently all the way around, applying tiny pressure only, like this...
This is what all the fuss is about...
Mine were in one piece but very easily broken for removal. Getting pretty brittle, I'd say.
New ones fitted up no problem...
Then it was time for o-rings...
There's seven. I could only find homes for six!
Hiding in the end of this...
You can see it in the instructions photo. It looks a bit like a cartridge firing cap, is this...
Just drift it out from behind and this is where your 7th o-ring lives! It seems to have no purpose than as a blanking piece. I dunno? Anyway.
Reassembly is very straightforward, giving you this...
Then the fun starts. Getting the pig back in. There's no pictures of this. I haven't got enough hands.
Russell gives you the choice of bench fitting the reservoir or leaving it until the modulator is in. On a left hooker, leave it off.
As you look at the modulator in the vehicle from the front, there are three hard lines on the left, two at rear bottom, up by the bulkhead, one towards the front, three on the front and a single one, with banjo fitting on the right side.
On a RHD vehicle, the first three lines, on the left, will be towards the wing and access should be fairly good. On LHD, someone put an engine in the way and they are a bastard! Especially the two bottom ones. To start with I tried to fit these before locating the modulator, trying to make access easier. Don't bother. The rearmost, which on mine, feeds the front LH caliper, runs underneath the modulator and with that loose, it's impossible to get the right angle on the pipe with a very real risk of crossing the thread. Fit the mod up, break four fingers on your left had and get stuck in there. You'll get at least a 5 degree turn on the spanner every time and it only takes an age, so get on with it. This is one of the reasons I recommend access height. I was already stood on points like a bloody ballerina as it was.
Once you've got these two on, the rest are pretty straightforwards. Once you've done, refit the reservoir. A smear of brake fluid on the rubber bungs and steady pressure worked for me.
Amazingly, the fork slotted happily over the pedal and travel is nice and smooth.
So it's in, all connected up, which brings me to a question. The instructions tell me to pull the plunger on the brake switch out, push the pedal in slightly and refit. Mine doesn't want to come out at all. I seem to remember somewhere about the very early ones (mines January 1995 build) not being the same. Can anyone shed some light?
Apart from that, I'm still waiting on the hoses (which are somewhere in the Philippines) and I can get some fluid in there and see if it all works.
Apart from the plastic washers looking on their last legs, some of the o-rings weren't particularly pretty, so I'm glad I got in there and replaced them all. Interestingly, my modulator is dated 1997 on a 1995 vehicle and Nanocom tells me I have 4 wheel traction control. Ah well.
Once again, top instructions from Russell, the actual job itself really isn't difficult.
gordonjcp wrote:
I just posted some answers to questions, a couple of comments on other threads and a question on the other site. Just to be neighbourly, like.
I notice in one of them, this comment seems to have slipped under the RRTH Radar System...so far
"I have all the components to do the EAS except for the Rover Raiser which I've been waiting on since April last year.
Funny I was thinking today about giving the guy a call to find out where mine is."
Ferryman wrote:
Without going into politics (oh no!) there are parallells coming to mind regarding the newly elected inhabitant of their official residence...
Nope, you're wrong there. One's an obnoxious idiot and the other....Oh, hang on.
The last message I received stamped lots of feet and then accused me of having a "hissy fit" in my original post. Of course, because he's deleted an entire set of posts, including another that wasn't overly complimentary either, we'll never know.
The last post in the thread now intimates that everyone from SoCal is an absolute darling.
Can't be arsed dealing with the child anymore, he's unshakeable in his unsupportable beliefs.
no10chris wrote:
GeorgeB wrote:
Ah what the hell, I'm probably about to join you...
Well George, looks like your the only one that has the balls to tell it as it is, let's see what reply you get
Just had a message from RRTH; "What on earth are you talking about?"
I responded, politely, that Scotty may not be the all wondrous god of suppliers and guess what? I get a reply saying that Sweet FA was bad English and an entire page of the thread has been deleted, leaving only the sycophantic ramblings!
Ah what the hell, I'm probably about to join you...
Thanks for the responses guys.
Orangebean wrote:
Have you tried http://manilaoilseal.com/ ? I know that Manila is a big place, but who knows, they might be in the next street from you or something?!
Actually they're not a million miles away from me. I'll have a wander over next time I'm in that haven of peace and tranquillity that is Tondo (have a look on google images!). Madam has two houses there.
Thanks for the heads-up!
A quick, "How long is a piece of string?" type question.
As we know, the P38 has O-rings for all sorts of gubbins. I've done the valve block and the EAS is fine, I've got o-rings in the modulator upgrade kit, so no problem, but I really need to finish off my air-con installation and it needs rings for the new condenser and dryer joints before a re-gas. For this I'm told that I ideally need Viton (which seem to be a quite versatile 'general') ring or Neoprene (which don't) rings. Okay.
So the question is, my local hardware shop has a huge range of ring sizes but he has no idea what they are made of. If you were to go out and buy a 'box of o-rings, please' from a non-specialist place, what would you likely be getting?
aero wrote:
@Ferryman, it's nowhere near a common thing here, but my record is I believe 3 hours covering 20km (12.5mi). :-)
I think my worst was two hours to get from Meralco HQ in Ortigas to beyond La Salle Greenhills school. Distance? 2km! For the Brits, they park three abreast on a four lane road outside the school at kicking out time. There's a major flyover joining just before this as well.
A client of mine was supposed to meet me for a beer after his meeting at PNR headquarters in Tutuban. I was in my local (Adriatico in Malate), so about 6km away when, three hours late, he called to say the hell with it, he was going home. Unfortunately, it was just before the Pope's visit when they practiced closing the roads all around my place, but didn't tell anyone!
Gilbertd wrote:
Adaptive values should be reset so it can start learning from scratch rather than having to correct from incorrect (if you follow what I mean) but as long as it will run, it'll soon adjust itself anyway.
Problem here is the time that takes, mainly because it's often difficult to get a mix of driving in, especially where I am. As an example, if I fitted a new MAF on a Monday, it'd be likely the following Sunday morning before you get anything but stop-start!
Anyway, Jerwin knows where I live and although he's not local, has a standing offer to hook up to my Nano whenever he needs to, but don't let that stop you giving him the good advice! None of us know everything, 'specially me.
Understood.
Character rifle now back in its case and am evacuating the grassy knoll!
Glad you finally made it Jerwin!
Gilbertd wrote:
It isn't just the Philippines George. I've sent stuff that was urgent by Royal Mail International Priority to France. Tracking has shown it to have arrived in France the following day only for it to sit around for 3 or 4 days before being sent out for delivery. Royal mail quote 2-3 days for delivery but tell you that they can't be held responsible for delays at the other end and everyone knows that nothing is urgent in France. As the Philippines was Spanish ruled for many years, that's probably were it originates from. We all know the Spanish are even more laid back than the French!
If you have a few minutes to spare, have a look at this award winning tale of parcel collection at the Manila Central Post Office!
This sorry tale is about halfway down the page.
my opinion would only be changed if he now actually did what he said he would do !
I don't think you ever have to worry about the doctor actually doing as promised. He's never bothered so far!
GeorgeB wrote:
Following a little message on Twitter, I suddenly got a phone call last evening, culminating in this...
"Thanks George
The kit will be made today and dispatched this week to you.
Once again apologies for the inconveniences you’ve experienced.
Best Regards"
So, that was 7th February.
On the 15th, I mailed again to ask if they, by any chance, had a tracking number for the consignment. I got an immediate reply with said number. Apparently they shipped on the 13th.
Whilst I should have been delighted at the news, my heart sank when I saw the link was to Royal Mail. Knowing I have a vehicle in bits and unable to operate because of their error, they decided the best thing to do was just pop them in the post box!
This means three things:-
1) It'll be eons before they arrive - actually 6 days.
2) It'll be a few more eons before PHLpost get around to telling me they've arrived, and
3) I then have to go an collect them from the Manila Central Post Office, where entire generations have been born, raised and died waiting to collect a parcel.
As of today, tracking tells me that my stuff, "...has arrived in MANILA PHILLIPINES and is being processed for delivery."
Let's see how long before the little card is delivered telling me to pick it up. Historically, I have to email an enquiry first, then a mysteriously backdated one arrives!
UPS/DHL is normally 3 days door-to-door and I'd have been back on the road now.
davew wrote:
Hmmm... sounds less like a Doctor and more like a Disease then ?
Ah, but a much loved disease in some circles!
Cold? Huh!
I had to do a quick visa run last month and Taiwan was the cheapest, so that's where I went.
Looked on weather before I went and was horrified to see it was 14 degrees and rainy. Fortunately Madam dug out the jacket I'd bought in Melbourne about eight years ago. It's the only warm piece of clothing I own and I'd have died without it.
I was frozen as soon as I got out of the airport and the hotel had centralised air-con belting out, I walked around for a couple of hours the following day, got frozen again and diving into a likely looking bar, froze in their air-con as well. Never been so glad to step out of Manila airport and into 29 degrees. It was bloody lovely.
I know, I know, I'm being a nesh git and cold never used to bother me, but it's amazing how quickly you get acclimatised to the heat and anything less is a killer. So bollocks, the next via run (in three years time) will be somewhere a bloody sight warmer!
Sorry, did the heater get sorted?
Gilbertd wrote:
This place https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/s/goodridge/goodridge-600-series-brake-clutch-hose-fittings list the P38 kit but will also sell the hose and screw on fittings separately so you can make up your own. I prefer a nut and olive to crimped on any day, the same as the difference between screw on and crimp on RF connectors on some of the stuff I work with, the crimped on ones are always the first to fail.
Maybe next time, which could be sooner rather than later, given the general comments! :-)
Ferryman wrote:
I have a feeling that their service depends on the amount of (negative) publicity is involved. One to one e-mail is not shocking, that can wait but when social (=public) media is involved they take action. Not good.
Don't think there's any question about it. After a week of e-mail silence on their part, one message on Twitter was answered amazingly quickly, to be followed by several phone calls and the sudden production of the (hopefully) correct hoses.
It's a bloody shame, but I suppose it was ever thus. You always got further complaining face-to-face in the shop than on the phone, so I suppose this is just a high-tech version of the same thing!