Collecting the trans box today fitting Tuesday, any tips ??? we have had old one off before just want an easy time (work) when we done the job !
Gilbertd wrote:
That will do the job nicely and will bolt straight on in place of yours. The only difference I've seen between odd ones is the position of the output speed sensor. On some it's on the top on others on the side. Not important as the cable will reach either way.
Great stuff......wanted to check I will collect tomorrow.
OK, been offered a Borg Warner from a Gems 4.6 114k £100................fit ? I would like a new one its funds
blueplasticsoulman wrote:
A bit more info that most likely relates to this.
Was talking to GilbertD about a rough idle. I said i'd chucked some injector cleaner in there but it hadn't seem to help. Thats when i got on with thinking about getting in there and cleaning them.
Yesterday, i started it up and it immidiately revved to 2000rpm and climed slowly to about 2500rpm. Eventually settled down and i took the Mrs to McDonalds for her hangover burger pick me up.
When i got home, i googled the problem and since i still have the other p38 (which i know works fine), i was able to go parts robbing. I first changed the IAC valve. Started the car but didn't recreate the issue. Probably since it was warm. I figured while i was there, why not swap the MAF too and be done with it. I thought the idle was much better.
Today i started her up and she ticked over nicely. Went about 1 mile up to the shop and by the time i got there, the idle was rough. Also Noticeable when your just coming to a stop, it's as though your about to stall a manual car. Then it settle down once you're at a complete stop. Once you're on Gas it's about 80% improved but still not right.
I have no issues once we're moving. Gear changes all good. No pops or stutters.
Have you checked that one of the cats is not blocked, if its when warm it means that the cats are getting to work and on gas it will flow slightly better, just a point I thought I would put accross as I have just done a de cat and a center box delete and she does seem to run alot better on petrol at least !
Seems its trans problems year.......went to swedish day yesterday with the Aero and on high boost the clutch started slipping ! been wondering what them tar looking deposits were on the tail pipe lol........at least its not dual mass and only 6 bolts to hold on so after doing the P38 twice should be like playing with lego !
Gilbertd wrote:
Or a 4.0 litre GEMS or Thor, gearbox may be different but the transfer box is the same.
Thanks mate much appreciated bud really really is.
so box from 4.6 only, gems or thor
Also is gems different box to thor ? ie will a 98 fit a 2000 ? emmots have one they seem ok to deal with.
Well the center box is off and it sounds like a V8 !
Seems to run better not convinced as of yet ? LPG stills has a miss fire on it seems to rev fine on petrol when stood still.......sounds great !!!
Next is transfer box, cant afford £700 now on it though so need a good used one any suggestions apart from evil bay ?
i think its getting removed tomorrow !
next !, its just the missing cat one side makes me think it may be blocking up
Great advice cheers mate
Today had both cats opened to cut out....1 was empty the other did not seem blocked so now thinking centre section might be blocked ? Anyone done centre box removal ? Is it drivable noise wise with centre section taken out ?
My MOT man takes the same view as yours LPG not required, I guess it makes sense that the cats could be choking her so here we go !
Do ya reckon a replacment trans box is best route ? is it normal trans oil for it ?
Thanks Simon much much much appreciated as to all that comment on here.
Today been into gearbox place that re-coned it and the conclusion is as follows
Gearbox fine !
They say that the transfer box has some play in it and that is what the noise is under heavy braking and the click where it jumps a tooth.................comments please ! I thought I would hear a constant noise if that were the case ???
One of the cats is blocked, I have the authority from someone to de-cat it for the time being to see if this cures the problem............perhaps that is why she is changing down out of lock up due to lack of torque ??? again comments
Anyway I have decided that I will de-cat it (sure she will be fine without cats ?) and go for a good used trans box what do you reckon on this idea ? and anyone have one they want to sell well looks like I need one !
I might just complete the rebuild of the entire car while I am at it lol
Lpgc wrote:
Thanks to those who've mentioned me above... Dazer, I'm the Simon mentioned.
Stag software I keep installed are V11, V10, V7, V2, V1 and Qbox V0.16, with those versions can connect to any Stag labelled sequential system (and Stag clones, and other systems that use an interface with compatible pinout). All of the later versions should connect to ISA2, would start with V11 and go back through the versions I listed if you have problems connecting but if you get to V7 on my list you might as well give up trying with the lead you're using.
This is one of the best Stag compatible interfaces (http://www.lpgshop.co.uk/ac-stag-usb-ftdi-diagnostic-interface/)
Simon
Hi mate thank you I will have a look, ran her back yesterday 175 miles on gas and the gearbox seems to drop out of lockup at 45 mph at times very easy and then stay locked up at 30 mph and has a mind of its own, more power on petrol but I think the torque convertor is having issues but its booked in for Thursday where they re conned it so fingers crossed.
If successful I might have a run up to you mate and get you to sort it, make a break out of it at the same time (means 3 kids missus and dog ! ) I just want her running as nice as she looks as she is a nice example and a shame seeing as all the things that I have done to her, worry is now when they did the recon took em 2 to 3 months ! so going away the end of May with the kids in caravan !
She ran on gas ok the same as she always has guess I am now aware that something on the gas side is pulling the trims on one bank down and running rich.
Thinking of ordering a lead as so i am able to access the system may be usefull in the future, what one would it be if its not ABE ?
Gilbertd wrote:
If you've got a problem with the driveline, your first move would be to take a propshaft off and try it then. If it doesn't clonk with the front propshaft removed then you are looking at the front end and the same if you do it on the rear. A clonk on downshifts can be caused by the idle being high but I suspect it's going to be worse than that or you wouldn't really be too concerned.
I think the clonk could be down to maybe play somewhere but the stutter and gearchange while smooth is my concern and can only link it to gearbox and after £1400 i think they can have a look !
I think your right as if i thought something else my cincern would not be so high.
Im really starting to think its gearbox again, yesterday
dazer2000 wrote:
Gilbertd wrote:
It's definitely running rich. £42 at 63p a litre works out a 66 litres, on a run I'd expect to get somewhere between 210 and 230 miles on that amount. Like I said before, running rich is safe, it's running lean you need to worry about so you should be OK to drive it home. As already mentioned, it could be a TPS problem and they are cheap and easy to change, crank position sensor is unlikely as that usually just stops the engine from running at all. You've got two, probably unrelated, problems so get the stutter sorted first before thinking about getting the LPG side looked at. As you say, it's been running on gas for quite a while and it's only this new problem that has made you start to look into it.
Simon is a full time LPG installer who spends almost as much time sorting out problems on installs done by others as he does installing from scratch and definitely knows his stuff. If you look here http://www.lpgforum.co.uk/viewforum.php?f=27 you'll see a few of the more complex installations he's done recently.
Well she deffo seems to run sweeter on petrol
Just been out tried her on both and petrol still seems the best, all injectors clicking when switched onto lpg just a low miss so i assume that the trims have never been done.
Love my old girl i trully do just want her to be rught i have her to tow the van so kids get a holiday or cant afford one, next is 28th of may so hope i have her fixed for then !
Im thinking of running on gas on the motorway home tonight i can always reset fuel trins via rsw when i get home tomorrow.
I pulled the near side front sensor to make the air gap bigger so the system detected it and shut down....i take it with lights on dash the system would be inactive ? Am i right ?
With the now and then clonk on hard braking and acceleration could it be front diff and now making it stutter ? I just dont know what to think now im getting lost but sure i have 2 issues.
Did think crank shaft sensor would make it not run at all just wanted to confirm it for sure as so i can illiminate it.
Gilbertd wrote:
It's definitely running rich. £42 at 63p a litre works out a 66 litres, on a run I'd expect to get somewhere between 210 and 230 miles on that amount. Like I said before, running rich is safe, it's running lean you need to worry about so you should be OK to drive it home. As already mentioned, it could be a TPS problem and they are cheap and easy to change, crank position sensor is unlikely as that usually just stops the engine from running at all. You've got two, probably unrelated, problems so get the stutter sorted first before thinking about getting the LPG side looked at. As you say, it's been running on gas for quite a while and it's only this new problem that has made you start to look into it.
Simon is a full time LPG installer who spends almost as much time sorting out problems on installs done by others as he does installing from scratch and definitely knows his stuff. If you look here http://www.lpgforum.co.uk/viewforum.php?f=27 you'll see a few of the more complex installations he's done recently.
Well she deffo seems to run sweeter on petrol
Just been out tried her on both and petrol still seems the best, all injectors clicking when switched onto lpg just a low miss so i assume that the trims have never been done.
Love my old girl i trully do just want her to be rught i have her to tow the van so kids get a holiday or cant afford one, next is 28th of may so hope i have her fixed for then !
Im thinking of running on gas on the motorway home tonight i can always reset fuel trins via rsw when i get home tomorrow.
OldShep56 wrote:
dazer2000 wrote:
So this simon is good and could solve my problems ? Is so after its been in thirsday (probobly longer ) i might have a run up ti him, she does run on gas just trim on the 1 bank rich and im wondering weather to just use it again as peteol i cant keep in it !
I think you'll find any of the guys on here will vouch for Simon lol just from reading his posts on here everyone seems to accept the guy knows his onions on LPG. He does have his own business installing it.
I think i will take it in thursday to have the box looked at as i am sure its that at fault on the stutter and then book a weekened away and head up to him then, i have found in the past that a little effort can pay dividends.
Now im heading home this eveing 175 miles and dreading driving using petrol, she runs on gas so is it safe to drive her even though its rich on one bank ? Have had the gas smell from rear end since i have had her and on the journey up here ran on gas and 175 miles £42 at 63p per litre which seems about right as for usage would you all agree ?