Know what you mean JMCL but I don't think we fully understood that the rrnet forum exists only for TOAD's amusement; And Hell would freeze over before any real unbanning could happen; Clearly he will read all this thread and enjoy it; It gives him an actual reason to exist !!
I read your list JMCL with interest and reaised the one main thing I have learned from P38 ownership: NEVER to say 'it's just 5-minute job'...
as I swear this thing is just a 'Rubik's Cube on Wheels' !
So I say, put the links back..... Makes sense Gilbertd; Similar on other fora I frequent.
Sorry to raise it again but the more 'under the counter' vendors like Toad/LeftLane/Scotty certainly could be A-holes about it at times......
Lpgc wrote: "Changed my signature anyway :lol: Now to see if this works..."
Ah, so it was all your fault then ??
Not sure which other forums/fora you are referring to there Gordon, but from other fora I participate on the problem starts when 'members' only offer 'services' and really not a lot else... (eg. Like Scotty on that 'other' site where your reasonable 'Don't Be An A-hole' advice their Mods. ignore).
Not sure either -other than Sh*tParts (with their 500% mark-up on bad quality stuff)- which truly 'commercial services' are making a mint on P38s to be fair....
Anyway, as previously mentioned, and speaking as an 'infrequent adviser' on here, just set up a PayPal account Gordon and I'll happily chip in !
Ah...ok. if these same pots. have worked OK before and they are identical to the originals then it must be something else then !
-You may be surprised though how if suppliers think you are just using them for 'something fairly basic' they may well often supply you with what is convenient for them - and 'presumed' to be an equivalent (eg. CW pots rather than CCW pots which does not matter that much for most circuits but will obviously not work in a positional servo situation etc)
Interesting - but excuse me Marty while I ask some more stupid questions (but which I have been known to do before...)
Have you used these same Piher pots successfully before ? Are you sure they have the same mechanical/electrical characteristics as the originals ? (eg. a 240 degrees turn is max. to min. value etc) Definitely LINEAR and not LOG or ANALOG ?
http://www.piher-nacesa.com/pdf/14-PT15v03.pdf
'Trimmer Pots' are just that (in that they allow you - manually- to make small(ish) changes to a circuit) rather than being mechanically linked (eg. to a flap etc) for 'circuit feedback/servo' purposes and so whatever the replacements are they will need to be identical to work properly.
Not sure what type of pots we use there Marty (and you may have to dismantle one to find out for sure) but if they are the carbon track type in particular they can develop 'flat' spots (ie. in/on the area/track they are used the most)...
When you are checking the resistance across the range of the pot (ie. to ensure it is a smooth/steady change in resistance) it may be quite hard to spot a flat with a digital multimeter: Try an analogue meter instead; Not saying it will tell you for sure if the pots are iffy but it can't hurt to try.
(I have encountered this issue myself checking the likes of flappy air flow meters, fuel tank senders etc; ie. Seems 'OK' with a digital meter, only see the flat/worn tracks for sure with an analogue one. It can happen with wirewound pots too but depends on their construction).
Finally are these pots. linear ones ? - The other issue I have noted is folks sometimes test/replace LINEAR ones with LOG ones of the same value...
Nahh - he is way too wimpy to join for real, unless it IS him - and he has come to say he is 'very sorry' before we all 'grass him up' ?!
Tell you what OB, I'm picturing a Clint Eastwood western (in fact most of them) where the chief baddy gets his come-upance after he has said "who are you ?"
" What's that Toad - when a man with a grease-gun meets a man with a torque wrench the man with the grease-gun is dead slippery ?"
No ? how about:
" Go Ahead punk - make my day - Search for Rave".....
What's that Iconoclast ? You were blacklisted for posting up information about the colour black ??
It is amazing that for someone who seems to enjoy repeating 'Read Rave' / 'Search' Toad has yet to be found out as a "off-topic irrelevant idiot" !
Maybe he has some photos of the owners in compromising situations or something.... ? Only that could explain his longevity on RRnet....
Seriously I think he 'gets off' by finding the tiniest reasons for banning folks: Result of a tough childhood probably (?) Needs Therapy !
Post those photos up here instead: I was looking at colour charts recently and was amazed at how many shades/variants of black there are....
Do the swearing first - oh you already did ! Yes, steel pin, alloy plates, salt/water etc sticks it in there pretty good.... I used a Dremel to flat the end of the pin off then a thin/hard drift to move it in sightly, then repeated the process on the other side. At least the old springs are trash so what's left of the pins can stay in there forever... and the newer designs are plastic not alloy bases.
I would vote for an iffy Driver Pack !
You mean this one ?:-
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If you see something you want please make a fair offer, NO FAIR OFFER WILL BE REFUSED! If it doesn't sell it will go to the JUNK YARD, If you need a part and don't see it ASK, I'm sure I have it!
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Well maybe even he just got sick of TOAD too ?
Marty's definitely your best option with this Stokes90:He really knows all about this stuff and frankly i would not trust even a local 'LR Specialist' who would just truck it away to a garage and charge ££00s probably to tell you it needed ££00s to put right !!
You could try moving it somewhere in case there is some huge RF signal where it is at present (although if you ask in the shops/businesses nearby they may tell you 'this has happened before with some other cars' (maybe)
You can read through all this too (if you did not already) but there are just too many variables and variants for a simple remote diagnosis: http://www.rangerovers.net/repairdetails/becm/alarm.html
It is no consolation but yes I have been through this whole PITA myself (like many of us)
In the world of (so-called) Data Protection this is basically nonsense of course: http://www.tomtom.com/page/facts
So customers voluntarily 'opted in' so TomTom and Co. could make some money from speeding .... really ?
Wait .....the collected data is anonymous - so that's Ok then; Only other motorists suffer... and so their data can be used against us (and so on)
Yes, Apple and Co. could/can do similar of course: Waiting to get a text message from the cops telling me my iPhone/movements/speed/etc were monitored and so I should report to the local nick immediately....
Have to add here that sometimes when I am poking about in the boots of old(er) cars i find 'mystery looms' too; Often for Car Phones (when these were the size of a briefcase) and often it is also very difficult to know what they did and where they go (and whether they can be used for something else etc) and so in a way it was good of LR to provide that TrafficMaster label...... maybe
As for DVD-Based in-dash SatNav systems yes, many manufacturers were (and still are) convinced that folks will pay £££ for updates. In reality we should just be able to connect them via Wi-Fi etc and update them via our home networks (but where all their revenue in that ?)
Best guess OB is these units used GPRS originally and then switched to GPS. Back then GPS was no so accurate as it is now (and frankly GPRS was quite vague too hence the later DGPRS). In other words some car manufacturers probably tried to accommodate (a number of) vehicle-location and mapping technologies (and then they all went GPS eventually of course). As you may know the (external) antennas tended to be multi-function/frequency 'hybrids' too, with lots that were GSM/GPRS and GPS etc.
The irritating thing is many car manuals don't track such changes and may be simply 'generics' (and parts of my P38 manual are a good example of that, too).
The most interesting issue is how a ten-year-old £2K in-built GPS is now about £40 (for a near-equivalent aftermarket option).... and I wonder how many screens for these ££ SavNavs which went bad then just became a place to put your Tom-Tom sucker on ?! The other main idea of inbuilt stuff is to stop it being stolen but I will not pay £2K for that particular 'feature' either ! I know P38 in-built SatNavs have that dire/quirky powering-up (self-destruct) 'feature' too of course (aka bad design)....
Trafficmaster could use voice or screen: Thus guessing that cable was for GPRS use as in:-
" Trafficmaster's SmartNav package used kit fitted in users' cars and a call/data centre. The car was linked to TrafficMaster by GPRS (and a voice channel for the driver). Drivers could call in to TrafficMaster to ask for a route plan from the call centre; the call centre had real-time traffic data as well as ordinary mapping and locations.
Instructions were delivered by a dashboard speaker or optional screen. The car system had GPS satellite nav, and told TrafficMaster where it went in real time. "
Note: Around the time (c.2005) there were concerns that it would allow 'others' (eg. the Govt.) to track users, leading to the 'unpopularity' of the system....
gordonjcp wrote:
most definitely Not For Sale. VerticalScope can......
That's what lots of similar enthusiasts sites have said Gordon, however.... http://www.verticalscope.com/automotive/site-list.html
(even though many of the members of those sites subsequently complained about all the adverts / cookies /vendor push etc to
the detriment of the previous tone/content..)
That reminds me: I sent VS a note once asking why they tend to use a common 'Search' platform that does not actually recognise
all Three Letter Acronyms when so many cars use these, eg. EAS, CKP, ABS, ECT, ECU etc etc etc: They did not reply (of course),
but maybe that was just their 'big-corporation customer-friendly' way of telling me to 'Ef Off' then ??
It's probably academic but i also meant to post up their primary 'Rules Of Use' too:
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* Restrict or inhibit any other user from using and enjoying the Web Site.
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Looks like the 'solicit' rule - next to the last one on the list - has already effectively been broken numerous times by Toad & co... ?
If so maybe he should ban himself for life now ??
From other web info. and the size/membership of RRS.net I also suspect he is paid about $1.5K/month for his 'contributions' (?)
Yes he does that, throws 'a total hissy fit' (and his weight around) unnecessarily and then behaves/acts more pleasantly (for a little while anyway)....
My suspicion now however is that he has realised that at some point somebody angry enough at him will send the information on here (and that he can't delete/change) to VerticalScope...RRnet's owners (well part-owners anyway, they sold 56% in 2015 to another Toronto-based Group TorStar): http://www.verticalscope.com/
Interesting reading too; Only 130 employees but after ~15 years of Acquisitions etc they own 600+ 'Enthusiasts Sites'.... !
Not sure if it was the link or the content Gordon so I have edited it: Hope it is ok now !
I will take the hint though and not post up the other (FB etc) info, even if I can find it.......
However I doubt he would join here though because, and like all bullies, he would not be able to 'stand his own medicine';
It is 'The Power' he likes - not actually helping others (and I also understand he is actually paid for it, too)
Similarly I was told he was briefly suspended for something.... but all that did was make him (slightly !) less abusive
on his return and more prone to editing/banning instead ! Man's a Menace.... Go figure....!!