The only place for a coil spring is up Zebedee's arse.
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Dec 30 2015
28 November 2019 - 22:44

Damnit, I went out this afternoon with my new plugs and wires... FFS how am I ever going to get my shovels in to the coil packs? I think it might be just plugs this time :/

28 November 2019 - 22:46

Even with one I can't see it as the link seems to take you straight to the group page. Facebook is a pita sometimes.

28 November 2019 - 22:53

If you've got a spare £15k burning a hole in your pocket :)

28 November 2019 - 22:56

Have you got the one I posted? It's on ebay, the reg is X986HVC

29 November 2019 - 08:41

It looks like the inlet manifold may be coming off. Is there a gasket I need to get?
Realistically, I need this on the road on Sunday so it's getting plugs now and wires are going on the One Day list. I might just leave them on the back seat the next time it goes to the garage - they know I only leave them the fun jobs :)

29 November 2019 - 12:30

Well, turns out I can't even change the damn plugs :(

The second plug I tried (no 5) was cross threaded or something - I had to use a bar to get it out. As you might expect the thread is a mess. I cranked the engine to try and blow out the pile of crud/alloy shavings that covered half the hole. Now I've got a very second hand looking thread and a spark plug doesn't feel like it'll go in properly.

Has anyone tried chasing the threads with the head in-situ?

29 November 2019 - 08:37

I do like that leather, but the wood on the centre console doesn't look like it's up to scratch. Otherwise, it'd be fun trying to explain to an 8 year old in the back that something the size of a paperback only holds one film in lo-res :)

29 November 2019 - 13:42

Good news, I think there's enough thread to save it. Bad news, I can't work with the standard plug socket I've got. FFS, isn't anything standard?

29 November 2019 - 13:11

OK thanks folks. I found that hack on a YT video for lawnmower etc but didn't feel confident to do it on a proper engine.
And yes, I always read the instructions (have to, really, if you work in IT) so I don't gorilla plugs. This is the first set I've fitted on this engine so I forgot how spoilt I've been by replacing my own work on my Jeep!
There are some idiots out there. Now I remember how hard it was to get the oil filter off the first time, I shoudn't have been surprised :/

Ok, here comes the teeny dremel and cutoff wheel.

EDIT: Wish me luck!

29 November 2019 - 15:47

Well, I've got 8 spark plugs in the engine. 2 of them are even new! Let's see how long they stay there. So that's 2 plugs and 0 wires complete. I rock!!
Thanks for the help and support, I really didn't want to contemplate a head off job.

Richard, that sounds exactly right and the Duchess is a Y/01 car. No 7 went in fine. No 5... not so much. Thanks for the NGK part no - I'll be getting a set of them instead! (although I'm half tempted to get the stupid price "LPG" plugs and hope they really do last a lifetime).

I went to the local car parts shop and the owner/manager bloke is an ex P38 victim. While we examined my plug socket for alternatives (turns out mine is already a thin wall one) he did say that he had bought plugs with a smaller hex for his car before he flogged it. They're all D2 owners in that shop, so quite handy. In the end he sold me a set of tube spanners for £9 which did the job on No.5 and kept my improvised thread chaser straight enough.

30 November 2019 - 00:31

The PFR ones are platinum, and should last 100,000km apparently. That's 4 years for me. The only thing is they are 1.1mm gap and you cant gap them.

But.... as long as they don't knacker the heads I guess they're a good choice.

The old plugs were definitely the wrong sort of champions, I hope the rest come out OK when its time :/

30 November 2019 - 18:02

You may or may not have the captive nuts fitted which allow you to screw the brackets in place. Mine doesn't but it does have the slots in the headlining after the headlining Summer Camp.

30 November 2019 - 18:06

Good to know. Thanks for posting the result.

30 November 2019 - 18:03

Whats up with the centre console trim? From the photos it seems to be a really poor match between the upper and lower pieces for colour and fit. I can't believe H and H would put their name to that, or am I wrong?

26 June 2018 - 15:01

This is really terrible news :(
I haven't been on the site recently due to moving house. I was hoping to hear good news about OB as I thought he was a really great guy. Gentle, amusing and kind. I will always wear braces when doing car maintenance, in his honour.

Rest In Peace, Mark.

27 June 2018 - 08:17

well, just so this isn't a complete love in :)
In the Morat Mansion there are only two cars (we're down from the peak of four on the road) and despite saying that we shouldn't have two similar vehicles we've ended up with the P38 and a Jeep Cherokee (XJ, 97). While the P38 is definitely the more prestigious and comfortable car there's something reassuring about the Jeep.

It's rugged, it's nearly a ton lighter than the P38 and it has a straight six engine of renowned longevity. The suspension is crude with coils at the front and leafs at the back but it works. It's bouncy, but it works. For the type of driving I do most of which is twisty B roads and the occasional single carriageway A road, the Jeep is ideally suited. The steering is quicker than the P38 and it doesn't roll nearly as much. They both ride ruts and potholes well, but somehow you don't mind as much when the Jeep rattles interior trim. Also, the P38 often gets caught out round corners when you've been dawdling behind a cyclist or tractor then overtake and hit a curve before the EAS has switched to low mode.

Offroad, I don't know. I haven't tried the P38 at a proper offroad site. I do know the Jeep surprised me with how capable it was in stock form. LSD at the back, locked centre diff and away she went in low range. I think you'd have to get into the details of break over and approach angles before you could call it, although extra weight will always count against a vehicle in bad mud.

The whole thing is that bit smaller than the P38 which makes it easier to fit down narrow lanes but it still has a decent boot. Rear leg room is pretty pants, I'll admit.

On a dual carriageway, the P38 wins every time. It's quieter and very comfortable. The Jeep uses less gas but if you're hauling the whole family, dogs and luggage the P38 makes a lot more sense with the bigger capacity. Another plus for the P38 is having a wheel well. The Jeep has to have a custom petrol tank so the ultimate range is reduced compared to the P38 with LPG plus a full petrol tank.

On the engines, there's much to recommend each one. I personally love a straight six. Having owned many BMWs with I6 engines I appreciate the practicality, the ease of maintenance and the fact that there's only one cylinder head. A V8 has that special magic in the exhaust note, and I just can't rule that out! The Jeep 4.0 is hilariously old and has an iron block and iron head, 7 main bearings and pushrod/rocker valve gear. You really couldn't design a tougher engine. The Rover V8 is familiar to all here of course, and is also a classic engine. It also has fantastic parts/rebuild support which is reassuring but also a bit more necessary!

So is the P38 the best Range Rover? yes, I think so - although if you gave me a V10 L405 I wouldn't argue ;)
Are there alternatives? maybe :)

27 June 2018 - 10:15

I think eventually there will be a division between electric cars in the cities and hybrids in rural areas. How that will affect the second hand market will be interesting to see...
As for LPG, it won't be going away as a fuel - it just won't necessarily be available from garage forecourts. You might end up with a big orange cylinder in the boot!

28 June 2018 - 13:54

lol :)

28 June 2018 - 14:13

EV are the future because you can't retrofit electric drive to existing cars. There's no profit (and no tax) in extending the life of existing vehicles. The reduction of pollution always involves the sale of new vehicles. Euro 1-6 is a study in planned obsolescence. Forgive my cynicism but I can't imagine anything less likely to make it as a government policy than "No, keep the car you have. We'll reduce the emmissions by 20% by giving Simon £1500"
Quite apart from the fact that there are very few LPG fitters I'd trust with my vehicle.

What would I give to know the real reason that manufacturers gave up on factory fitted LPG. I'm pretty sure they saw that legitimising LPG only ate into their potential for sales of NEW! CLEAN! cars. The fact that most of them were diesel and were more filthy then the petrol cars they replaced just proves that it's a cynical exercise in flogging shit to the sheeple.

28 June 2018 - 14:25

I'd be up for that, if anyone can organise I'd chip in.