Odd to start and then just die like that of course....
As part of your investigation (in the garage) consider removing the earth lead from the battery and wire an analogue 0-5A meter in series with it instead. Lock the car and monitor the meter... regularly... and if there is excessive current draw (after the BECM has gone to sleep) proceed from there - ie. removal of individual fuses to find the cause/s. It would take a few amps (continous) overnight to cause the flat battery of course.
-These meters are just a few pounds on ebay of course... and will happily melt if (Ooopps) you forget it is there and maybe try to start the car...
Alternatively use a cig. lighter led voltmeter (as already suggested); Lock car monitor.
Don't know just how many charge/(complete) discharge cycles you have endured but the battery will not like this either !
Like many I have had BECM staying awake (RF interference), faulty cell on battery and a wet fusebox (condensation) cause this kind of problem.
Similarlyan internal light staying on does not help either...
Good Hunting !
Pricey bit of plastic indeed Rob, should be -literally- 'ten a penny' ....
Not exactly a critical component though: Its primary purpose of course is to allow oil vapours to condense back into liquid on it .
Over time (years) there is a build of 'crud' within the separator. Without it this all just happens in the breather hose instead ...
(also takes a while but) this possibly causes the hose to rot more rapidly (?)
Incidentally the other hose (on the throttle side) is more critical - at least if/when it falls apart and allows air in instead !
Thanks for the heads up Rob: An /'nteresting' seller indeed.... Did a few DVLA Checks and his definitions of Pristine and Immaculate are 'generous' to say the least: The reg on this one does not even exist: "2000 Range Rover Autobiography 1 of 1 in Praire Rose" - and "Caveat Emptor" indeed !
(Also on 'Car and Classic' too)
From "the Dark Side"
" I am afraid that I am hurdling towards a donation if nothing changes. Not much help over on the Pub. Yes they are like a pack of wolves granting a series of random explanations and not really alot of help "
'Charming' David - although we did not buy the car, you did ... and then shipped it to a place where they don't have/understand them !!
Don't just 'lash out' at those trying to help.... it is unlikely to 'encourage' further help !
Still not 'random' but:-
PS: It is NOT the battery....
PPS: Check you are getting (constant) power to the fuel pump: Change the CKP/CPS too ....
This might help, and IS 'random' !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78b67l_yxUc
Fair enough Rob !
Have to say I am apalled at the "Garage" saying they will not do any of the work until the car can be started !
It would take 10 minutes to do the basic fuel/spark checks of course...
Impressed you can tell the year/engine from the video Rob.....(!!)
Obviously you have more to worry about than your suspension but form your woes it would also be a good idea to get your
cylinder compression checked too (and that should also be cheap/easy)
EDIT; Ah..... I see now Rob, it's also over on the 'Dark Side' Site !
From the extra info. there the diagnosis/advice is the same though...
David, just take a deep breath and provide us with some more details !
eg. Are all these baterries you are fitting going flat from all the cranking or overnight ?
I agree totally with Sloth, indeed on the video it sounds like no fuel whatsoever ; And the CKP/ Crankshaft Position Sensor is another likely culprit (but a P38 sometimes starts with a bad one but then runs really badly). A CKP is only about 50 bucks... and fairy easy to fit.
As Sloth stated - do you actually have a spark ?. Did you (or a garage) look at the plugs at all ?
The fact that this was jump started and ran OK for a while could be fuel (marginal pump) - or a marginal CKP...
Almost all the parts you have ordered will not help the bad starting issue of course....
"EAS Manual" is a 'red herring'... with the engine not running and your Electronic Air Suspension is just right down on its bump stops by now...
unless it has steel springs now... High Mileage: 222K miles and everything is probably 'a bit tired'.. (?)
Something that might help, better/cheaper than SyncMate (but in OZ) !
Even though based on the last point above this will also (likely) get me castigated, although it's a Tim B-L quote:
"I think people's fear of bad things happening on the internet is becoming, justifiably, greater and greater. If we leave the web as it is, there's a very large number of things that will go wrong. We could end up with a digital dystopia if we don’t turn things around. It's not that we need a 10-year plan for the web, we need to turn the web around now".
The three principle the contract sets out for governments are:
Principle 1 Ensure everyone can connect to the internet
Principle 2 Keep all of the internet available, all of the time
Principle 3 Respect and protect people’s fundamental online privacy and data rights
For companies, the following three principles have been put forward:
Principle 4: Make the internet affordable and accessible to everyone
Principle 5: Respect and protect people’s privacy and personal data to build online trust
Principle 6: Develop technologies that support the best in humanity and challenge the worst
General citizens have not been forgotten; they have three principles of their own to abide by:
Principle 7: Be creators and collaborators on the Web
Principle 8: Build strong communities that respect civil discourse and human dignity
Principle 9: Fight for the Web
Together, the principles seek to ensure that everyone has access to the internet and that faith in the web can be restored.
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My involvement with some of these initiatives is why I won't be drawn on revealling personal stuff on the Web either
Remember: There Are Bots About !
OldShep: Then “If you don’t like it (or if you are not interested) just don’t read it” ?
(Tricky I grant - as I did not actualy know you were a Mod. until you closed the thread… )
For anyone else I am sure you realise you don’t have to read everything you see… be it Daily Mail. Guardian /whatever….
The clue is in the title/headlines ….
And you do know that Lpgc started the Zero Emissions thread right ?: Did not see any such remarks about that !
Richard: Did not say anything about 5G…. but I did help define GSM…. And also spent some time in revealing discussions with the European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts years ago; They had a compact Super “Cray” with a huge heat exchanger outside ….. that we used to joke probably changed the climate ! Errr… no, it really isn’t about me guys: It’s about The World – obviously.
If you read what I actually wrote I don’t really care what folks drive, that’s their choice (but I totally understand the SUV views on relative safety and how smaller cars have a much higher fatality rate in higher-impact collisions etc). Similarly I am not responsible for the crazy P38 car tax in Ireland as reported by ‘Rcutler’; Feel free to also take your frustration out on the Irish tax folks who actually did that though !
incidentally of course as I already mentioned I tell these kids that just using the internet (or buying a Chinese phone/gadget etc) has more eco-impact than ICE and that the whole life of a car needs to be taken into consideration. Perhaps you weren't in my " Why Manufacturers Don't make their Cars To Last 20+ years' Seminar (aka the " Atrificial Product Differentiation" Topic ! it's part of my (Hotle debayed) "Brand Preferences - why ?" Topic !
Lpgc: Yes but you patently missed the part where I clearly stated “(PMs as sent to the 'primary perpetrators)" !
Never mind, it's hard to focus when being unpleasant
Frankly I started to read your message but got to the part where you started to misquote me (again) and I lost interest…. Why not just respond to what I actually write, not react to something else you would have preferred me to write so you can react instead of respond ? Clue; This generally starts with “it’s like saying blah blah blah”…. (although i didn't). You know, like Richard did above with 5G...
A PUB is of course a PUBLIC place; I am not going to provide personal details here any more than I would shout out my PIN over the PA system in a Pub !
Yes I remember the GDPR thread; It’s the one where I made an (obvious) joke but Morat took it personally ! He has been ‘sniping’ since…
Yes, this is essentially a 'right to reply' to the "Zero Emissions" Thread which is now closed
Whilst I realise that my remarks within may be considered "inflammatory" (indeed almost as much as the ones aimed at me in that thread, including some from Mods) and so this thread will likely be 'offed' too - but ask that it remain for a few days at least.
And - if they are really 'neccessary' - I look forward to your continued snipes and/or snide/sarcastic remarks too..
but do be sure to make it obvious when you deploy any (actual) 'jokes' !
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(PMs as sent to the 'primary perpetrators')
The 'Eco' Thread......
Greetings Gentlemen…….
Well you are very happy to ‘dish it out’ but you really don’t ‘like it back’ now do you ?!
Yes of course I understand why the thread was just stopped, as I also understand what has happening here, other than the ‘standard internet cyber-bullying’ nonsense I mean ! Anyone driving big-block gas-guzzlers is going to feel ‘threatened’ by ‘Zero Emission’ stuff , but unfortunately hostility - either direct or more ‘subtle’ - is really not going to change that…..’sorry’ !!
The thread first went downhill after the unpleasant and unnecessary criticisms of Greta T. with the kind of remarks and comments that you certainly would not accept if they were aimed at your daughters (or grand-daughters in some cases… ). Sadly only ‘Bolt’ was mature enough to recognise that ….
The second problem was an apparent obsession with ‘if I drove a P38 (or not)’ – surely irrelevant in this context - but still that allowed someone to happily indicate I was a liar for not revealing it !
Similarly the numerous ‘personal’ remarks made ‘as a joke’ are not at all “ convincing “ chaps, that is at least when not deliberately-provocative and seemingly-adolescent of course. Perhaps I should be grateful I did not just get the standard teenage response “ whatever ” to my posts ?!
Unfortunately the anonymous nature of Fora allows folks to make comments with impunity (and the normal human courtesies). That – obviously - is what the Tim B-L comment was about. Climate Change causes deaths and that is NOT a joke (now and in the future) and passive-aggressive remarks, eg. ‘cartoons’ showing ‘army snipers’ will really not help that nor the thread…
Perhaps I should have just posted up that famous “You Can’t Handle The Truth” clip from Jack Nicholson instead ? My own ‘hilarious’ joke ‘outburst’ seems to have irritated some…
In response to your final comments Richard I would suggest that the topic –Zero Emissions- is totally valid in any environment where ICE is now -apparently- “the enemy” (or at least easy pickings for our clueless politicians / car lobbyists). As for my comments being ‘off topic’ are you serious (?)
Clearly the car industry -and petrol companies- are ‘feeling the pinch’ - rightly or wrongly. Hence the recent F1 announcement (and many traditional ‘sponsorships’ too) as many are now taking note of the “Environmental Impacts”…. My misinterpreted remark about Lotus obviously relates to claims about “exotic” (and extremely expensive) EV batteries …. But which may not be relevant to the Mass Market.
In fact I was an entrepreneur myself at the start of the IT revolution (Yes, back in the 80s). Now I mentor ‘kids’ on current high-tech opportunities (including ‘state-of-the-art stuff’ like Quantum Computing & etc), Take it from me that these kids, typically in their 20s, “think differently” to the way we (50+) did…
“You may say they are Dreamers, but the’re not the only ones” !!
Seriously I may now use this thread as the basis of my next Seminar: “Why Oldies Fear Change”… (And might turn nasty if faced with it ?)”
Enough said !
Dave (real name)….
Morat wrote:
And the troll is revealed :)
Very 'big' of you to admit that Morat ! (smiley face etc etc)....
Whilst I understand that to an extent Richard I mean get a grip on Climate Change ......
We will all see who has 'the last laugh' eventually (and really I don't believe that it is those who think taking the 'p' out of a topic provides a solution..)
FFS Lpgc !! Not sure if I prefer your directly agressive stuff or Morat's preferred/usual _passive aggressive _style.... !
Either way you are a pair of totally clueless tossers ("Wink") !! Now that's 'hilarious', don't you both agree ?
Incidentally I am very familiar with gallows humour, smileys. etc of course
Oh, What's that Morat you 'were just using sarcasm now instead' ?......
Get a Grip Guys !
Anyway... did you even look at that web site mad-as posted up ? Perhaps that is more to your liking..? eg. "it's snowing so global warming does not exist & etc....".
Then you will probably enjoy the whole thing then.......
Rumor is that the main 'transgressors' present (eg. FaceBook) responded with "Relax, it's just words...." too !
Morat wrote:
Relax, it's only the internet.
Really Morat, "Who knew that (too) !?" .....
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sir-tim-berners-lee-calls-on-governments-and-companies-to-sign-contract-for-the-web-mkmpc3v5w
Morat wrote:
Well, it's got to happen one way or another. IMO being first just means we're ready first, and possibly more prepared to mitigate the issues that will occur if/when others lag behind. We're not going to be as badly affected as some South Sea Islanders, but we might end up with London being flooded out. Possibly a good thing ;)
You were doing fine there Morat - until you added the 'humorous' bit about folks dying.....
Lpgc wrote:
What do we think to the prospect of the UK going carbon neutral by 2030?
Zero Lpgc, that's the point ..... On their own any country can say "we AIM to go Carbon Neutral by 20XX" .... but what does that mean if they just buy all their stuff from other countries instead... ie. other countries who really don't care either way ? All they did was shove the 'Carbon Problem' elsewhere. It's similar to the plan to convert everyne to EVs... but then not build enough Reactors to provide enough of this "C02-free energy"...... !!
mad-as wrote:
the cure for climate alarm ism listen to this davew scroll down to sound of music pic
Interesting find 'mad-as'; Too bad Tony -the author- uses 'worse science' to debunk what he claims is 'bad science'.... and I gave up when he claimed that the CO2 from folks would dissolve the coral in their aquariums etc.... (Frankly I was also dissapointed Julie Andrews did not sing on it - as I would have preferrred to lsten to that....!! ) Does he have another web-page somewhere where he 'debunks' the Moon Landings too ?
Of course his kind of 'blatant selecticism' works the other way too: In that Lotus link above they indicate "you can charge the batteries in 9 minutes or to 80% in 6": Similarly their "can charge/discharge 1000 times with only a 10% drop in capacity" claim. Of course these cars are over £2m each (and so can use very advanced technologies) but it won't stop some twerp saying something like " 'soon' all battery packs will be able to do this " & etc..... Yes, it will all 'trickle down' (!) to lesser EVs - eventually
ie. It is always dangerous/misleading to use extremes to 'prove' averages - of course... but I don't think Tony and his patrons really care about that !