I'll check and drop you a message :)
Thanks!
Toc-H :)
I could do with some better reversing lights. The Gangsta tint on the rear windows doesn't help at all!
Well, it's about time I came over for an LPG service on the P38 if you want to hook up diagnostics to it while I'm there - no worries.
How are you fixed?
A lazy wind, as they say round here...
I bought a pair of trousers online from Germany 10 days ago. They arrived three days later with no extra charges to pay. I was fully expecting to experience yet another horror story of delays and import duties but it seems that trade can be done. I think the difference is that the company in question (Hirmer) is used to dealing worldwide already so they just moved the UK from their EU process to their RoW process and carried on as normal.
Filled it with LPG and drove it back home.
Even with the school run and working at work maybe 50% of the time, the fleet are doing almost no miles these days. I'm glad none of them are on finance! I'd be pissed if I was paying £450 a month to polish a car.
Gilbertd wrote:
Morat wrote:
A Tesla S in some forms can do 0-60 in 1.9 seconds 200mph and manage a range of over 350 miles (at motorway speeds of course) then recharge in 20 minutes while I have a piss and a pie. I can't really argue against that anymore - even if it costs £85k.
But can it tow a 3.5 tonne trailer?
No, but I can't imagine there are many 200mph trailers around either ;)
It's not that far away. The Sweet Lord Elon (our Musk and Saviour) has decreed that Teslas will be able to act as demand smoothing energy banks while plugged in. They do have what I believe scientists refer to as "Ferkin HUGE" batteries so once there are tens of thousands of them hooked up to the grid overnight they could make quite a difference if they're not going anywhere the next day.
I'm very disappointed with the LPG situation in the UK. It had the potential to be a very swift way to reduce emissions but I think the bottom line is that it came before people really cared. By the time people DID care, the fun tech was electric and honestly - looking at the latest crop of cars - they're really very fancy indeed now. A Tesla S in some forms can do 0-60 in 1.9 seconds 200mph and manage a range of over 350 miles (at motorway speeds of course) then recharge in 20 minutes while I have a piss and a pie. I can't really argue against that anymore - even if it costs £85k.
ooh, more second hand cars in the UK - Goody!! :)
Ultimately, putting a hole in your roof is a bloody silly idea for a car - especially one with excellent HEVAC - but it was a bit of a fashion item back in the day.
Welcome Jeremy :)
I don't know if my P38 is a forever car but I've thoroughly enjoyed it so far!
Marshall8hp wrote:
Hence my comment. StrangeRover is getting 14mpg on the road, I’m getting 21mpg, I.e. 50% better economy.
I’m not saying running costs are less on petrol, we all know they are not. But I’m not sure they are as great a saving as some feel they are. What would you consider a reasonable time to depreciate the LPG installation cost, as that should be taken into account. Say £500 year over 4 years for a good multipoint system?
We are pretty used to fitting and running LPG here. You have to appreciate that Australia probably has the highest density of LPG cars in the world, against the number in the total fleet. It has been a common fuel here for 50 years and every service station carries LPG, or at least it is rare to find one that doesn’t. If you have LPG fitted to your vehicle in NSW, then your annual Pink Slip inspection (what you would call MOT) can only be done by a specialist LPG MOT station as the whole LPG system is gone through annually as part of the vehicle safety check.
50% better economy but the fuel costs in the UK are generally double for Petrol over LPG so it's well worth it over here. It sounds like your government didn't like losing the revenue!
The installation on The Duchess cost £1500. From my figures in my earlier post I'm saving 12.9 pence per mile (@64ppl for LPG which is the national average) so that paid back in 11,627 miles.
I normally fill up at ASDA which is currently 52.7ppl in York so it was actually a bit quicker for me.
Almost.. but that doesn't account for the fact that you'd burn about 10% less petrol if you were using it.
Marshall8hp wrote:
I know LPG is cheaper than petrol but 233 miles on 75 litres is 14 mpg. I get that around the city on petrol and 21 mpg on the freeway at 110 km/h.
MUCH Cheaper than petrol!
MPG is a silly measure as fuel density varies a lot. Petrol weighs about 0.75Kg per litre but LPG weighs about 0.51Kg/Litre.
The more useful measure is Miles/£
If we take petrol consumption as 3.5 miles/litre that costs £1.20/3.5 = 34.2 pence per mile.
If we take LPG consumption as 3.0 miles/litre - we get £0.64/3 = 21.3 pence per mile.
Irrespective of the volumes consumed, in the UK you save over 1/3 of your fuel costs by driving on LPG and those are very favourable figures for Petrol as I generally pay under 55p for LPG which gives me 18.3 pence per mile.
Lpgc wrote:
You can't force start most BRC gas systems on gas.
I don't think the potential for a leaking LPG injector or reducer has been mentioned? Run on gas and the gas system gets pressurised, turn the engine off and gas leaks into the manifold, try to start the engine and the engine gets petrol and gas instead of petrol and air until there's been enough cranking to pump the gas out of the manifold but by which point the plugs might then be wet with petrol.
At least worth ruling this out by driving on petrol for an hour before turning the engine off so if there is such leak gas will have been used with the engine running rather than displace air in the plenum?
Others will know better than me but iIrc the pump doesn't work on these until cranking, either that or it runs for a couple of seconds in pos2 then stops until cranking. 17 Seconds after stalling is probably about right?
A lot of engines give a really long 1 or 2 petrol injector pulses immediately on turning to the cranking position before reverting to normal pulse lengths for cranking which may be temperature dependent.
Thanks for the input Simon - I tried running on petrol for a day but no change in the morning. I guess we can eliminate LPG from my enquiries!
It's quite a weird position for ODBII to be fair...
@ £29 per litre that surely is Special Oil!! I bet you feel happier though :)
Gilbertd wrote:
I'm confused, easy I know, but you say you can hear the fuel pump relay cut out after 17s yet you also say it doesn't run with the ignition in pos 2? Are you saying you can hear it over the noise of the starter cranking? You can often hear a relay click in but not drop out. Simon's suggestion is a possible too but if it is the fuel pump not running, then hot wire it. Run a wire from the fuel pump relay socket and put it on the battery positive (or put a jumper in place of the relay). Then you'll be able to run the pump before you try to start it. If it fires up immediately, it is a fuel pump problem, if it's just the same, it's something else.
Sorry, should have been clearer - I'm using the nanocom to turn the pump on before cranking, same as the wire trick but from the comfort of the driver's seat. I crank it first, and on rare occasions it'll start perfectly. If not, I run the pump until it cuts out and crank again. It can take a few tries before it starts. I've found no obvious correlation between the number of times I need to run the pump and the length of time the car has been standing. Or temperature, or wet weather.
Once it has been running for a couple of minutes it'll re-start normally.
Gilbertd wrote:
It's an odd one as if the pressure was down or if there was a restriction, it wouldn't run normally once started.
Yep, that's the thing. I did test it by warming up on LPG, swapping back to petrol and flooring it in second. No det, no hiccoughs - smooth to the redline.