Grrrrr. There's a clearly marked BOAT on the definitive map which has a locked gate across one end courtesy of the Forestry Commission.

OK, the North Yorkshire Definitive Map is... DRUMROLL
here: http://maps.northyorks.gov.uk/connect/analyst/?mapcfg=Out_and_About

Sadly there's very little in the way of Green Lanes on it.
Actually there's a couple within striking distance, but one of them is so mild the Google Maps car made it all the way!

Wow, there's a battery cover? I was chuffed to have a battery clamp/strap.
My Jeep makes do with a natty piece of angle iron!

We are, eventually, going to meet up and put my nanocom on his P38 but until the moon, stars and several planet align (or we get to the end of the events season at work and I have some weekends to myself again) I think is a long way off.

What a very smart young subaltern you were :)
Smarter than me, that's for sure - but it looks like we shared the kit packing skills!

tbh, I probably would take the Jeep because it fits down smaller lanes.
It seems that there has been quite a lot of rule tightening recently and it's pretty hard to get offroad in the UK if you don't own a farm or a forest.

http://allterrainuk.com/ £25 to join, not a lot of info. Has anyone any experience?

I've never done any green laning (just one go in a Pay and Play place near Robin Hood's Bay) although I'd like to give it a try. The thing that holds me back is the worry that I'll end up trespassing, ignoring a TRO or basically pissing off a lot of people without knowing where I stand. Does anyone know much about it or know of any groups that are worth joining? I'm not really interested in discussing which type of Defender differential has the best pinions, just would like to get our and enjoy some countryside in confidence I'm not going to get arrested!

Either you have a metallic purple Range Rover or my monitor doesn't agree with your camera at all! :)

Diesels are great for industrial/marine engines pushing high torque at constant (relatively low) revs where the application doesn't require fast or regular accelerations. In those applications they're simple, reliable and efficient. They also get away with being heavy without any great penalty.
The further you stray from that sort of application the more diesels have to depart from their traditional strengths and more complication is added in the form of turbocharging, exhaust gas recirculation and often higher running temps to turn them into something they're not.
You can see the same trend with the teeny tiny petrol turbos that have come in to meet Euro6. We're being forced into building ever more complicated engines to meet silly targets that don't seem to have a great correlation with real world driving conditions.
This is why I run a 4.0 straight six petrol engine in my Jeep which will easily hit 250,000 before any rebuild beyond the occasional headgasket. The warranty expired in 1998 but I don't care. All parts are available because these engines were designed to be used, abused and rebuilt when they became worn.
The same is true (to an extent) for the Rover V8. It can be rebuilt (a bit more often than the Jeep!) and all parts are available.
Nip forward to the M52B30 in the E46 BMW that we used to have. Fantastic performance, no doubt - but if the headgasket went there was a decent chance the head bolts would strip their threads and the block was scrap. Still, it would do 200k if you looked after it.
Now the teeny turbo 3 or 4 pot petrols haven't been out there long enough to be sure but I wouldn't bet on them still being in service after 15 years. Yes, we've moved forward in materials science and engineering experience but they just look too highly stressed to have much longevity, at least to my eyes.

Does this matter? Not if you're a manufacturer who only cares about products during the warranty period. I'd say it's the wrong direction to take if we're looking to reduce the lifetime costs of vehicles both financial and ecological. There are plenty of vehicles out there with life in them it seems absurd to me to say that a brand new vehicle, no matter how economical to run, will have less impact on the environment than one that is effectively recycled. If you're hammering 50k motorway miles a year, fair enough, the economy might make the difference as long as you keep the car for long enough but for the average joe doing 10k a year... how does new make any kind of sense?

As Simon explained, the reference pressure in the software is the pressure against which the ECU compares the current pressure to compensate for fluctuations in the supply. Your map is set to provide an injection pulse of x duration at y gas pressure where y is the setting your looking at. If the pressure reported by the sensor is y+/-z the ECU will make an adjustment to the injector duration to ensure the cylinder gets the correct amount of gas. Reference pressure should be set to match whatever the reducer is set to provide and if you go and change it to something other than the pressure the reducer is providing your ECU will be constantly correcting away from the value required by the map.

From what you said above, and Simon's post it sounds like your engine is now idling 25% rich.

At least, that's my understanding :)

Morat wrote:

I'd give it a try, although hot engine refers to coolant temp rather than ambient temp, I'm sure your engine will cool down more slowly than in the UK! It's really for situations where you're stopping and re-starting a hot engine. It'll save you some fuel but it's hard to say how much.

I'd have thought this wouldn't matter too much with an injected system, I can see why it would be different with a single point/mixer. Suck it and see, I guess?

Another backwards step was the removal of exemption from the London "Congestion Charge" which used to apply to LPG vehicles. I bet Londoners are SO happy that the clean running LPG builders vans were all replaced by diesels with NOx and particulates contributing to their record air pollution stats.

I'd give it a try, although hot engine refers to coolant temp rather than ambient temp, I'm sure your engine will cool down more slowly than in the UK! It's really for situations where you're stopping and re-starting a hot engine. It'll save you some fuel but it's hard to say how much.

At my local ASDA, LPG costs 49.7p, Diesel 109.9 and Petrol 109.9.
There's absolutely no reason why manufacturers can't be told to produce factory fitted LPG cars to give your average non-tinkering motorist the ability to run a car on a lease and with a warranty. The reason it doesn't happen is the car manufacturers are scared that retrofitting LPG kits to existing cars will reduce sales of new ones. They're very happy with the Euro 4,5,6 ladder that penalises people who drive old cars.

IF we are to ever produce a greener economy (and I have serious doubts that it is remotely possible without people voting to return to a pre-industrial level of technology) then we need to rid ourselves of the "need" to buy new and dispose of perfectly good equipment. I can't see how we can produce a green consumer society when it's the act of consumption that drives so much pollution.

I'd be tempted by a Tesla, but even with their long range the charging time sucks if you're driving a long distance. In the meantime, we should just make LPG compulsory on every forecourt and convert all petrol cars. Ban diesels - they're just terrible.

Fantastic news :)
Welcome to semi-affordable motoring!

I'm sorely tempted to set up a VM at work and stick Centos and a web server on it, but that would be a bit naughty. Although, we do get our bandwidth free of charge... hmm.

Whatever solution is promoted, I can guarantee it won't be something that allows us to re-use existing vehicles but requires new vehicles. This is the main problem facing LPG - it doesn't get the blessing of the SMMT because it doesn't involve accelerating the product lifecycle and the Government don't like it because it leads to reduced tax income.
These are two reasons I LOVE it.

blueplasticsoulman wrote:

Lol@download rave. Stock forum response.

Just cause you read the Hadron Collided manual, doesn't mean your able to fix it.

Chuckles :)

Good on you Mr Devon :)
That's a really nice looking wagon, congrats!
I wish I could find some green lanes to play on, but it seems they've come under a lot of pressure in Yorkshire recently. Also, people seem to be quite secretive about them.
Still, there's nothing wrong with a P38 running on the road. Most of them see nothing else!