StrangeRover wrote:

Personally to me it seems to be a load of carp.,

What about HGV's etc that Have to use Diesel, don't see there being an EV HGV in 10 years, unless some genius lives among us!!

Vans are another issue, basically anything commercial just can't run off of Leccytric.

The Voice for LPG seems to be getting louder though, and i've seen a fair few stories regarding LPG conversions in london going stratospheric!

I myself don't see how it would be possible for all this to happen by 2030 i thought 2040 was optimistic. LOL

LPG's growth IMO is inevitable, especially in the commercial sector, and it'll also benefit us IE more stations prolly a reasonable price too!

You'd think so on the LPG front, but if thats the case, how come stations are closing or left out of order for months on end? London area, it will be partly the taxi drivers looking at options for their existing vehicles driving a lot of it I would guess. I've seen a few LPG converted Toyota Prius about - all of them taxis. alot of the problem is there is a significant amount of people who will happly take up whatever shiny vehicle they can afford on PCP, so don't own it and hence can't convert it, combine that with the various other credit options and the lack of any UK manufacturer converted vehicles and it leaves only older vehicles available for conversion. Thats before you take out any that can't be converted or its not work converting for the most part (Direct injection Petrols, Small cars with no real space to spare for a tank, Diesels which yes can be converted via Fumigation, but its not common to see and payback is very slow on them) and its leaving you very limited.

Lorry wise, LNG has existed and a few of the big names have had a go at using them, John Lewis uses some vehicles on that. But takeup is very limited and subject to change as things progress, Optermistic for any of the dates they state, when have they ever managed to deliver anything as they promised though? Brexit? HS2? I've seen them state 2027 for a full fibre rollout to the whole country for internet (and analogue phone line switch off) and I doubt they could even manage that, which would be much simpler than what they hope to achieve as far as this is concerned. I'd suspect its more likely they would be forced to prevent the registration of any new vehicles rather than banning what already exists from being used and wait for the amount of vehicles to decrease as they get to a point where they aren't able to be used anymore.

London wise, the problem isn't just the ULEZ - the parking round alot of the congestion area is also loaded by 50% ontop of the base rate for older vehicles, anything pre 2006 on petrol or pre 2015 Diesel gets a higher rate charged than a newer vehicle. And its all phone based for on street parking so no way to avoid it as you have to enter your reg number to park.

Simon - typically the trunk routes through any of those areas are excluded from the zone as such - the A38 through Birmingham when they bring their zone into play is supposed to be outside of it, same with the roads around the congestion zone in London, just means really you can't go into the last bit of the journey. Though of course that may change with time.

It generally takes a few minutes to get your eyes used to what your looking at, but once you get the hang of what pattern you should be seeing, you will soon notice a difference between the good and bad. Just used them on the focus this afternoon to find out if it was a spark related issue I was getting at cold starts, and it looks like the coil pack has died (again). Noticable that sometimes it would spark ok, others it would miss on two cylinders, checking the obd logged codes against cylinders 3 and 4 it was noticable that those two were missing some of the time with the car sat at idle. Now to see what it does in the morning with a different coil pack on!

It helped in my case to have one side visible - simply as you can compare good to bad that way, and you can only look at one side of the engine at a time anyway. The advantage with having a second set is you can put them on before you get the engine hot but its probabbly not really needed. If the coil arrangements on the GEMS are like the Thor (as said, don't know on that as I've never seen a GEMS one but I'd guess it is), then its paired across banks anyway. Coil packs usually fail in such a way that both plugs on that coil pack (bear in mind the Thor ones are really 2 coil packs in a single package to give 4 cylinders and another seperate unit to do the other 4 cylinders, I'd gather the Gems ones are a single coil pack to do each pair of cylinders) so as long as you've got one bank covered, you should be able to see your fault. It can help if you can do it somewhere dark if possible to see the light from them more clearly.

Bolt wrote:

HA! Good luck with that one......Let us know how long the momentum lasts? Till Greta's boat goes down in a storm perhaps?
So, you guys think you have it bad?
Try living in California! The Numpties have taken over, and it looks bad for ICE powered dinosaurs here!
This is one of the many reasons why we are upping sticks and shifting base to Oregon, where (Relatively) saner
minds are still in control.
In the meantime, I have been doodling with an electric conversion for an P-38.........
No plans to build one until necessary, but oddly, it is doable. 10 years out, it may be more doable.....

So, as you folks have a vast knowledge base for Lpg powered ICE, how about a slight mod and using
Hydrogen in place of LP? I know some folks who have been using home made Hydrogen for stoves and heaters
for years. I have seen a standard generator running on Hydrogen using Lpg system as well.
We are seeing Hydrogen filling stations popping up here in Calif.......
I know you need a SS exhaust as the products of combustion are water....

Far as I can tell, it seems its not the getting an engine to run on Hydrogen thats the problem, its the producing it without using loads of energy to do so (as this typically comes from the same sort of fuels your trying to get rid of using to fuel the vehicles in the first place, so is just shifting the problem, much like a battery powered vehicle, the extra weight also means extra load and of course a battery doesn't get any lighter when its flat, unlike an empty petrol tank). Theres two Hydrogen filling points here - Cobham services on the m25 and Beaconsfield on the m40. With plans for another 4 (3 of which are in the London area again, the other one being Derby). Its some way off being useful to a car with a single fuel source as you'd be stuck the first time you went to a station to find they had nothing available, but produced from renewables it holds some sort of promise, but could they keep up with demand if it did take off?

There has also been noises about the end of private car ownership recently - I think from the same Labour party that seem unable to beat the current bunch of imbeciles we have in power, which shouldn't exactly be a challenge to them. Also the same party that pushed everyone to Diesel a few years ago, so not exactly well placed to even have an opinion on it really.

These are what I used - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Laser-2780-Ignition-Spark-Tester/dp/B003AN1VPW/

They are a useful tool to have (better than my mates way of diagnosing a spark or lack of spark by holding the lead near the engine which frequently ends up zapping him and is so hit and miss to be nearly useless). They proved my suspicions that the coil pack on the Disco had started to fail (and more importantly which one had failed at the time, though the other one followed shortly afterwards) and can show up very slight faults that you can't necessarily see at idle which show up under load.

If you have 4, you can stick them on one side at a time and compare - I've used them about 3 or 4 times now (got to use them tomorrow actually as well), you can see a weak spark by a dull light or flickering thats different to its neighboring cylinder. You just put them onto the end of the lead and then onto the spark plug.

I don't know what the GEMS coil packs are like though, they fit the Thor ones easily, but some other vehicles with long spark plug wells may make them impossible to use.

But, you could just spend the money spend on them on a new coil pack and get an answer that way!.

Incidentally the last MOT the Disco had, ended up with replacing the whole exhaust due to failing emissions both CO and HC too high (the best of the local testers I use as the others I've tried I didn't want to go back to a second time, won't test on gas and I really can't be bothered to argue the point with him any further now) when tested on petrol, the cats on that had suffered misfires both from before I brought it (as a spares or repairs with misfiring) and the failed coil packs, to the point where the exhaust rattled when idling - a sound like a stone caught inside it is typical of a cat thats broken up internally, so I wasn't really surprised that it failed emissions after scraping through the previous year (when the same garage had a different tester on, who did test it on gas once I'd told him what to select off the test machine as he didn't seem to know if it was CNG or LPG he was dealing with).

It sailed through with a new Cat, took the opportunity to replace the rest of it as the middle box was more exhaust putty and rust than steel where it had been patched up before and hacked about where the flange on the end had rotted away. Only other thing I did to it was give it an oil change and a new air filter. If you wanted to check the cat, really the only option you've got is to stick a camera up it and look that way, or take it off and tip it up and see what falls out though that only tells you its broken up. They can get fouled up with other crap and stop working that way as well of course (oil being the most likely cause since you can't buy leaded petrol anymore)

Is it on gas? If so, switch it to petrol a few minutes before you stop it, and see if it still happens.

Usually somewhere that sells batteries will have a tester, though you'd want somewhere you could trust not to try and fob you off with a new battery anyway.

Suggest you snip the superlock wires before it does it again then

Morat wrote:

Most of the adds on FillLPG are European stations from what I've seen.

Yes almost all of them have been for ages now, and most of the deleted ones are UK ones as well. Theres the occasional added uk station, but pretty much all of them have either been duplicates, pointers that have been moved from an incorrect location, or ones that shouldn't be added (people playing with the app adding random extra stations)
Gilbertd wrote:

I use the Euro one when in Europe but filllpg over here. My tablet tells me whenever it updates anything and just recently filllpg has been updated with prices every couple of days, there's been a couple of stations added too but only seen it delete one.

Theres been 52 deleted stations in the logs on my phone in the last 90 days. Majority of those are UK stations. Approx 1/2 of them are ones where a new pointer has been created or deletions of duplicate pointers though. Bear in mind the notification only shows the last update attempt, not every one since you last cleared the notification off the screen (so if its done 2 or 3 updates in that time, you've missed the earlier ones on that total)

Morat wrote:

Most of the adds on FillLPG are European stations from what I've seen.

Yes almost all of them have been for ages now, and most of the deleted ones are UK ones as well. Theres the occasional added uk station, but pretty much all of them have either been duplicates, pointers that have been moved from an incorrect location, or ones that shouldn't be added (people playing with the app adding random extra stations)

StrangeRover wrote:

The

ABS TC and Handbrake lights are constantly illuminated regardless.

The HB one is puzzling as it is on regardless of whether the handbrake is on or not!

Brakes are perfect etc

Any ideas chaps.

Cheers.

Get suitable diagnostics on it and find out whats causing the light to come on. Would suspect its an ABS fault, but it helps to actually know which wheel its complaining about (assuming its a wheel sensor and not something else) before you start trying to sort it. I'd suspect all the lights are indicating the same problem/have the same cause. Do you know anyone with a Nano?

Gilbertd wrote:

The European version of the app from https://www.mylpg.eu/lpg-prices-across-europe now includes UK (so not sure if Dave has been sharing info or if they've nicked it) but that will allow you to put a route in and show stations on the route. Covers all of Europe (if you need it). There's an Android app on the Playstore (look for EU LPG) as well as Garmin and Tomtom POI files.

Their info is a combination of info from all over the place - Hence why when you look at it, its full of duplicates, inaccurate locations, stations that don't exist, stations that never existed in the first place and out of date info. Its possible to get duplicates and closed stations removed from it by contacting the admin on every instance. I suspect the European info is somewhat better than what the UK info on there is.

Some of it appeared to me to have been found from the nearly defunct printed map book - http://www.go-autogas.com/ if you don't know the one I mean, and that was the original reason for Richard starting Filllpg - as the info on their supposedly superior POI files that you got with the map was so poor, with stations shown not merely in the wrong place, but frequently not even in the right county or even in the middle of the sea. Though its equally possible the info went from myLPG.eu to them rather than the other way round.

TBH though, with the amount of stations that seem to be disappearing (Shell seem to be culling a load of theirs now) you'd be better with an app that downloads updates regularly unless you want to update the satnav regularly as well.

You can also load the POI file into Google maps - its under your places > Maps. The CSV file I think from memory just works as it is, or if it didn't it was fairly easy to fix it (just edit using excel but save as CSV afterwards). You can also obviously edit the csv file if needed, say if the website became unavailable etc. If the Android satnav uses google maps then I'd think it should work? I don't generally use it that way as I usually use Waze for GPS rather than Google maps, but its in there if I wanted to use it.

Or just use Dave's app - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.onthefencedevelopment.fill_lpg and then you have the prices either way. It should pass across to any sort of navigation app - Back when i used the Garmin instead of Waze you could pass it directly to that unit via the smartlink app using bluetooth, but it got to a point where Waze just worked better, and meant only having the one unit to put into the holder when getting back in the car.

Morat wrote:

Of course... if you have converted to LPG you could have a go at an LPG powered fridge!
Well, maybe. I'm not sure how they work!

PAGING SIMON!!!! Simon to the LPG Phone please :)

Thats usually called a caravan on the towbar

Gilbertd wrote:

Robbo1 wrote:

I will be at the Kings Lynn Heritage day on Sunday week with the Range Rover. This is another favourite for us been going since it started.

Where and when? KL isn't far for me and it'll give me an excuse to wash the car (still wouldn't expect to win anything though....).

Highest mileage maybe?

Gilbertd wrote:

Hmm, 2000-2006 5 door Shogun, kerb weight 2125 kgs, from the spare wheel rack, the blue stripe on the mudguards and the perforated beams, it looks like the trailer is an Indespension CT27167, with a max weight of 2700kgs and unladen weight of 690 kgs. So the trailer was overloaded (2125 + 690 = 2815) although within the max towing weight of the Shogun pulling it (braked trailer max of 3,300 kgs). To snake enough for it to flip the towing vehicle the trailer wasn't long enough for the load so too little nose weight. As he managed to close a motorway and old bill turned up, I suspect the driver will be nicked for being overloaded......

Theres usually quite a bit of crosswind action on that bridge as well which won't have helped any, I'd suspect he would have some questions to answer at the very least.

Thats the way some people tackle it - if one bottle didn't work, try a couple more just in case. I've never known the stuff to work personally.

romanrob wrote:

I stumbled across an amusing thread today on rr.net, where RRTH is lecturing someone on Customer Service (although to be fair, it is BBS, so they deserve all the kicking they get)

Apart from their completely painful payment methods I've not found a reason to find fault with them, though i guess nothing has really gone wrong as yet for me with their kit, so maybe thats why.

Thats not just a Land Rover habbit, I spent several hours looking for a fusebox "behind the glovebox" on a Renault that was actually on the other side of the car behind the handbrake control, Again this is an example of the steering wheel being on the opposite side of the car to where the manual refers to it being.

Sounds like you know where to take if if it does play up again and you don't want to tackle it yourself, hard for anyone to say if you can trust it without having seen it though.