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I use the simpler grom unit without blue tooth and just put my music on a USB stick, or plug my phone into the grom line in.
You can also use a multi pole toggle switch, relay or rotary switch to select between the grom and the CD player. I have Dsp and sat nav, and it all works just fine. Sound is amazing.

Did a bit more digging. Tuns out they are for securing the kiddies.......

https://www.rangerovers.net/threads/3-point-rear-centre-belt.20554

Mystery solv-ed
Cheers!

Aloha,
I have been busy the last couple of days on interior stuff.
Got a very nicely re done headliner out of an 98 at the breakers (26 Bucks!), and today, swapped it into Bolt.
I have wondered over the years just what the 3 VERY heavy duty welded steel brackets are which attach at the edge of the rear opening up at the top lip.
They have nice colour matched covers with a slot for whatever goes there.
I have never seen these on another P-38. and was debating whether to punch in the 6 additional holes to re attach them.
In the end, I installed them as they really help hold up the back edge of the headliner.
So, why are they there? What accessory was so heavy it needed these 3 serious brackets to hold it up? Mini crane?
I cannot attach a photo at present as camera is elsewhere.....
Thanks!
Tom

At last.
Clarity and scale.
Cars, it turns out are not the evil that they are made out to be.
Thanks for un earthing that Gem.

Dave,
You have indeed nailed the essence of it.
Much bigger than all of us. It is a shame more folks do not see that!
How about we agree that we all have different opinions shaped by our life's experiences and leave it there?
I also, believe it or not, have nothing for or against young Greta.
I also have heaps of respect for Sir David and his accomplishments as an educator and entertainer.
Of course, I will continue to tend my small flock of dinos as long as I possibly can.......Come what may......
You, and anyone else have the same right.
Cheers for a spirited discussion! Next round's on me!

Well, Dave,
There is also the third response, sadly, much more common, as it is that of the "Common Man" : The "Nothing I can do, so I will do nothing" response.
You seem to be slotting yourself into this one as you have steadfastly refused to answer the question on your personal V8 powered transport........
yet you have no issues with your strident criticism of those who do not agree with Greta and, apparently, your world views?.....Hmmmm....
It is all well and good to feel true passion on the subject, but "Actions always speak louder than words"
Wouldn't all the kids you talk to be much more impressed when you peddle your bicycle up to their school to hand out books and do your talks?
If just one old scientist started leading the next generation by setting the right example by having his petrol guzzling, nox spewing dinosaur
crushed into a cube and used as a coffee table, THAT would give you street cred! (you will need a good publicist too. Maybe Greta's is available?)
Oh, about those books.... Are those "synthetic ink on dead trees" type books? (pretty large carbon footprint)
......Should be downloadable Pdf form, or perhaps cuneiform on organic sun dried clay tablets?.......Just curious.......
Carry on Gents!
(howdy, Rob!)

Davew
If you are going to quote me, get it right, and do not add words that were not there, please.

'solutions to problems are complicated'

Never said that. Re read the post.........
I have already alluded to the one true solution: We all must immediately go live in cold dark caves and
eat only raw food that we collect with our own hands (but not meat, that's cruel)
I never claimed to have a practical solution ;)
The ideas being espoused by the new face of climate change are in no way new different, or by any stretch of the imagination "unusual"
Same old stuff that Al Gore, the ultimate hypocrite blathered on about in his book (that he did not write.....)
I am sure Greta will have a great career in politics. She is being well groomed for it.

Gee Dave,
If "column inches" is your metric to determine social worth, then, logically Trump must be a God, in your pantheon?
Problems, whether real, or created are so easy to point out........Practical, logical solutions, are, sadly thin on the ground.......

So, if the newly minted 16 year old eco-messiah (Greta) is as smart and savvy as she is being presented, why does she seem to
be just parroting the same old palaver? Can you claim the moral high ground when you are on a yacht built entirely from petrochemical derived
energy intensive non recyclable plastics and wrapping your waste in a plastic bag to toss overboard? What's that about?
Ships several heads out of service?!
How about publishing a list of "practical" solutions?
Nobel? Give me a break! That august organization lost their credibility when they started giving them to politicians!
Having spent the last 42 years totally embedded in the "renewable energy" industry, I know precisely what it takes to
support a comfortable, practical, minimally consumptive lifestyle without being attached to any type of external infrastructure.
I have been off grid for this entire time, and I do not seem to find myself in a cold dark cave eating raw food, as some
would insist is necessary if we want to stop the climate from swaying beyond what we, as humanity personally feel comfortable with.
Hear about some power shut offs in Northern Calif.?....I am currently in the center of the effected area.....No issues, as I am totally off grid
here as well!! It is not hard, but takes some work .......
Built a couple of nice electric cars a few years back, and charged them solely from solar and micro scale hydroelectric power. Worked well.
I do fully support the idea that everyone who wants 2 cars should have one as electric, since any trip less than 50 miles (Most) are best
served by an electric. Oh, and Lead Acid batteries work just fine for sub 150 mile range electrics, and are 98+ % recyclable into new batteries.
No nasty Li Batteries to worry about!
(No trees were harmed in the crafting of this post, however a number of innocent electrons were inconvenienced)

Aloha Dave,
Welcome to the Pub! You have found out where Richard lives when he is not Gilbert! Oh, and where correct info now lives as well!
Saw your posts on the Dark Side, and glad you made it here. Over there, you have no way of telling where anyone is anymore, so no surprise you found no takers. Sounds like you are on the correct track.
Good luck!

"Paper"......Just what is this you speak of? Is it cross platform compatible? Is there an app for that? Just who is this "Manual" you mention?
.....Isn't he the guy in Spain with the Green P-38? Did he write the app?
If it works, it may be the next big thing!

There is no occupancy sensor, however there is a plug underneath that is probably loose, or corroded.
Sitting possibly wiggles it enough to pull it loose.
What specifically does the Nano have to say about the fault? Open, Shorted?
Look under the seat for the yellow wiring harness, and check the 2 pin plug.
I had to cut out the plug on my Passenger side some years ago due to corrosion. Solder and shrink tube are your friends here....

There are some really wicked RC plane motors out there that would run a vacuum super well! (Hearing protection suggested)
https://www.horizonhobby.com/category/airplanes/airplane-accessories/airplane-engines-15042--1
Starting could be interesting........

Let the race to convert one to Vapor fuel begin!

I believe that the general definition of a "Digital Motor"is indeed an electronically commutated multi pole motor, typically DC Permanent magnet
as opposed to AC induction (Although AC EC motors are pretty impressive)
They are also as Richard says, either on or off....That is, each pole (Winding) is switched on and off in a linear fashion. Think Rail gun, just
circular in design. They are very much more efficient than a brushed motor and the same power can be had in a smaller, cooler running
package. Just look at the typical power drill. Find a 40 year old variable speed plug in job, an 1st generation battery drill, and the latest compact
Brushless types (Brushless DC = "Digital") You will see the striking differences instantly.
More torque, less weight, much less heat........I have used all of these, and indeed, have a drawer with all of the aforementioned tools to
use as comparisons. Remove the batteries, as they have obviously improved over time, and the basic machines have dropped in size and
weight by at least 50% (Like Dyson) They rely on "Rare Earth" magnets, thus another reason for the current global panic caused by everyone else
suddenly realising that virtually the entire supply is controlled by China! Golly! How did that happen??

Having built several electric vehicles using shunt wound motors (Old school) I would like to do one of them up using an brushless motor
and, yes, a "Digital" controller It would be interesting to see the efficiency increase.
More information:
https://www.digikey.com/en/articles/techzone/2016/dec/how-to-power-and-control-brushless-dc-motors

You mention the ICE Shark? How about a fuel cell powered shark, that uses Butane, and a small reformer to create the Hydrogen for the cell?
With a micro reformer, any HC based gas can be used to run them, including Methane from home digestors......Just compost your wet garbage!
Shoot! It's a Brit invention to boot! ........Since it was announced nearly 5 years ago, and I don't see many around, it was
probably quashed by the oil industry! ;)
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiiidrY9P3kAhWRSxUIHXz2BmsQFjABegQIABAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.extremetech.com%2Fmobile%2F212795-this-hydrogen-fuel-cell-powered-iphone-6-delivers-an-entire-week-of-battery-life&usg=AOvVaw2H0Hosp4_7tG9frZNb2d3-

Here is another (We have not seen yet) from the Germans:
https://www.extremetech.com/electronics/198695-kraftwerk-fuel-cell-will-let-you-charge-your-phone-with-gas

Ahhhh Thanks for the clarification.
I had recently read that as a planet we have 11 years, then total extinction....Unless, of course, we cease emitting carbon immediately......
Glad to hear that deadline has not been shortened to only 5!

I seem to have missed something here......What is this "5 year horizon" you mention?

Been doing "Alternative energy" for 40 years as my day job.
Where appropriate, for off grid applications, it works well indeed, but needs to be "Operated" to a greater or lesser degree.
Grid tie roof top solar is a good start as even though it does not work at night, every Mw produced, is one less produced by nasty old coal.
Remember the golden rule though: For every Mw of renewable energy on a grid, wind, solar, even Hydro.....There MUST be a matching source of Firm power for it. (Coal, Gas, Nuke, Very large batteries)
So, electric cars really are part of the solution IF they are charged at home from dedicated PV systems. NOT from the Nat. Grid.
(They still have a HUGE carbon footprint tho')
For the future?
I like Salt!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten_salt_reactor

Climate change denier? Certainly not.
I have spent a lot of time in the last 40 years doing meteorology, and ocean sciences study.
My take:
1 Is the climate changing? Yes
2 Does the climate change over time? Yes. This change takes place over various time scales from seasons to centuries.
3 Are humans, by introducing carbon to the atmosphere causing climate change? No
(However there is a LOT of $$ to be made by saying we are solely responsible for planetary warming.)
4 Are we, by introducing carbon to the atmosphere contributing to, or accelerating the current warming cycle? Possibly.
5 Is there any practical way to stop or even reverse the current trend? No

Theoretically, to effect any type of change in the trend line towards warming would require the total shut down of all fossil fuel use GLOBALLY
and like....Tomorrow. Sorry, not gonna happen. Let's say it did? still, on a natural warming trend. Shoot, England is still
warming from the last little ice age you had not too long ago!
Good point about the youth movement tho' Try to get your kids to wear only organic hand loomed hemp fiber clothes, no mobile devices
as they are petroleum dependent, no synthetic fibers at all. No objects made of steel or any metals at all for that matter as their production
requires fossil fuels.....
So, NO cars. Period. Planet wide. How long would it take to make that transition without the world economy totally collapsing?
To conclude:
I see the issues on all sides. I have no solution.
Great debate material though!

Behind the door cards? As a matter of fact, you have a very efficient noise generator indeed! A speaker.....Now, this is a stretch, since Range Rover electrics are so solid and reliable, but what if the speaker is thumping....a bit of corrosion somewhere? if a "Low end" stereo, try unplugging the door amp fuse.
If High line, pull all the fuses that run the DSP amp. The issue could just be a bit of random static. I believe the amps are always on in the doors?
Marty?
Both of mine are Dsp, and I have had a few instances where you get a low pitched pop from a speaker when you turn on the key.
Also, the factory sat nav can introduce some interesting sound effects.
Or........ you have an active blend motor, and a sticking door....whirrr-thump.....repeat......

Yea, the Push to totally eliminate evil 'ole Carbon is certainly gaining momentum as a selling point for the 24 hour News outlets.....
Gotta keep folks entertained, and in fear or they will switch channels.
Having spent my working life in the Alternative Energy Industry (Designer/ installer for off grid power systems) I have seen Batteries come and go, as well as Fuel cell madness come and go. Fuel cells are now quietly working. I want to see an Hydrogen burning V8, not a fuel cell electric.
I have, over the years, built (Converted) 3 vehicles from petrol to electric. Not tough, or particularly costly......
I completely agree that the issue is the enormous amount of energy needed to crack water for Hydrogen far outstrips the gains. Like electric, it just shifts the pollution from tailpipe to smokestack.
Electric only begins to make sense when ALL of the energy for your car is produced AT HOME by non polluting means.
Interesting side note: The "Carbon footprint" of an Prius is actually higher than a P-38 over a 20 year operational cycle.
This includes resources needed to build both, and fuel / electricity to run them. The deal killer is the Li batteries, which have a massive carbon footprint from mining to installation. A inconvenient truth, totally overlooked by the smug folks in their hybrids.
Oh, and Li batteries are not currently recyclable, as far as I am aware.......Only 5% of all Li batteries in EU are recycled. (2% in US and Oz)
As the energy needed to smelt and refine a Prius battery would probably power it for about 50k miles......
In case you are really interested in the issue:
https://cen.acs.org/materials/energy-storage/time-serious-recycling-lithium/97/i28

But I digress.......Assuming availability of Hydrogen, just how tough would it be to run a V8 on it? Possibly dual fuel? H2 and Petrol?